An experiment - Toxins from an Electronic Cigarettes vs a Real Cigarette - FDA "Approved"

[vapor trail]

Originally Posted by BigJimW

Excellent. I hope more people link this video (and some others of mine) to spread the word. I'm not just making these things for my jollies. They're made for a reason.

That single demonstration could go farther to advance the cause than anything done yet.

Excellent job, BJW!!!

[emus]

My gym coach did that test with his Marlboro Reds, LOL; what a role model he was.
The test is so elementary and non-scientific that my juvenile reaction was to not take it seriously.

The more I think about the test the more weight I give to it's credibility.

I know all that tar etc. is going into a smoker's lungs; but I don't know how it ever comes out. It is amazing a smoker can live past 30.

[BigJimW]

Originally Posted by emus

My gym coach did that test with his Marlboro Reds, LOL; what a role model he was.
The test is so elementary and non-scientific that my juvenile reaction was to not take it seriously.

The more I think about the test the more weight I give to it's credibility.

I know all that tar etc. is going into a smoker's lungs; but I don't know how it ever comes out. It is amazing a smoker can live past 30.

The big difference was he did not have an e-cig to compare it to. With the e-cig, there was no discoloration at all on the white paper towel, even after four blows to it. It was just a little moist.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the FDA needs to get their heads out of their asses.

[BigJimW]

Just so everyone knows, even though my videos are copyrighted works, I hearby give distribution license to everyone to post the videos on their blog, website, distributor page, send a copy to the FDA, send one to the President, etc, of any video I make.

We need to get the word out on what is happening, and hopefully make more people aware as to how the people are getting screwed from Governments more caring about money than the public health. Hopefully this little demonstration will show the FDA that smoking real cigarettes are far more hazardious to ones health than the electronic cigarette. Doesn't take a scientist to figure that out.

[blackbug]

Just to play devil's advocate, yes the tar and stuff you see on the paper is a disgusting example of what cigarettes deposit on you. But not everything bad for you is visible.

[MissVapor]

although I'm totally for ecigs..I don't think that comparing the color of "tar" that shows up on a papertowel proves its any safer than an e-cig.. There are plenty of odorless, colorless toxins.

Also- you stated e cigs have been out since '94-95? Really?

[BigJimW]

Originally Posted by blackbug

Just to play devil's advocate, yes the tar and stuff you see on the paper is a disgusting example of what cigarettes deposit on you. But not everything bad for you is visible.

While that may be true, in the case of e-cigs, all that's in it is nicotine (optional), Propylene Glycol, water, and flavoring. Nicotine is not the cancer causing culprit, Propylene Glycol has been inhaled for decades with no ill effects (in the theater in fog machines, in fire fighting training to simulate smoke filled rooms, and at your neighborhood Halloween party), water vapour comes out of room humidifiers, and the flavorings are your basic food grade flavorings.

Inhaling the flavorings in your typical e-cig juice cannot be anymore harmful than the thousands of "flavorings and flavor enhancers" that they pump into analogs.

Regarding Proplyne Glycol:

Potential health effects

Eye

Causes mild eye irritation. Contact may cause irritation, tearing, and burning pain.

Skin

Causes moderate skin irritation. Contact with the skin may cause erythema, dryness, and defatting.

Ingestion

May cause gastrointestinal irritation with nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. Low hazard for usual industrial handling. May cause hemoglobinuric nephrosis. May cause changes in surface EEG.

Inhalation

Low hazard for usual industrial handling. May cause respiratory tract irritation.

Chronic

May cause reproductive and fetal effects. Laboratory experiments have resulted in mutagenic effects.

Exposure to large doses may cause central nervous system depression. Chronic ingestion may cause lactic acidosis and possible seizures. The oral toxicity of propylene glycol is very low, and large quantities are required to incur the dangerous effects described above. The potential for long-term toxicity is also low. In one study, rats were provided with feed containing as much as 5% PG over a period of 104 weeks and they showed no apparent ill effects.[6]

Because of its low chronic oral toxicity, propylene glycol is generally recognized as safe (GRAS) for use as a direct food additive. Cases of propylene glycol poisoning are related to either inappropriate intravenous use or accidental ingestion of large quantities by children.[7]


Serious toxicity will occur only at plasma concentrations over 4g/L, which requires extremely high intake over a relatively short period of time.[8] It would be nearly impossible to reach toxic levels by consuming foods or supplements, which contain at most 1g/kg of PG. Propylene glycol is metabolized into pyruvic acid, which is a normal part of the glucose metabolism process and is readily converted to energy
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Basically at 4g/L, you would have to vape 10 gallons of the stuff in a single sitting to get any ill effects. I tend to doubt people are that serious vapers. But you never know with this bunch.

[BigJimW]

Originally Posted by MissVapor

although I'm totally for ecigs..I don't think that comparing the color of "tar" that shows up on a papertowel proves its any safer than an e-cig.. There are plenty of odorless, colorless toxins.

Also- you stated e cigs have been out since '94-95? Really?

Yeah, I messed up there. Meant to say 04/05. I need to add a text annotation to clarify that.

And if even vaporors are going to beat the "these may be bad for you" drum this will only insure that the ban is complete.

[blackbug]

Don't get me wrong, I totally appreciate what you've done there and will go to great lengths to defend e-smoking.

Thanks for the info.

[BigJimW]

Originally Posted by vapor trail

That single demonstration could go farther to advance the cause than anything done yet.

Excellent job, BJW!!!

Thanks Vapor. It's the simple elementary school science stuff that the FDA can't seem to look at. The obvious facts. Again, it falls down to the almighty $$$.

Even IF e-cig vaping has some risk, it cannot be anywhere NEAR as risky as analogs. When you can turn a white paper towel brown with a couple of mouthfulls of tobacco smoke, imagine what years of smoking those things coated the lungs with.

I shutter to think of it.