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margouillat · 09-19-2008, 05:36 PM

Sorry, It's here in french from AFP
19 septembre 2008

AFP: L'OMS part en guerre contre la "cigarette lectronique"

Please, re-write tittle !

dc2k08 · 09-19-2008, 05:41 PM

Translated version of http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ia8CGeXxUqoBy_PVhtCP1rcg64Lw
in english via google translate

Quote:

In France, the Directorate General of Health (DGS) and the Medicines Agency noted that "electronic cigarettes may contain chemicals, such as propylene glycol, a solvent irritant or terpene derivatives, which "could have an impact" in case history of epilepsy.

never heard of this

Quote:

The World Health Organization is particularly angry because "manufacturers of electronic cigarette + + in the world have used the name and logo on the WHO website, on packages or in advertisements for present their product as an aid to smoking cessation

anyone have an example of a business associating their product to WHO?

TropicalBob · 09-19-2008, 05:45 PM

This is not good.

Our WHAT doesn't need an angry WHO.

MagusSteele · 09-19-2008, 06:01 PM

Like I said in the other thread, "Here We Go !!"

Quote:

The cartridges containing nicotine in varying concentrations usually beyond the taxes imposed by states to tobacco products, according to Dr. Bettcher.

Far from being a tool of struggle against smoking, "electronic cigarette" may be used by smokers addicted to circumvent the ban on smoking in bars, restaurants and other public places, feared finally the head of the anti campaign - Tobacco WHO.

Ecko: This is Not good.

strungmind · 09-19-2008, 06:24 PM

Well, we wanted more people to know about e-cigarettes, and now they do....

I think this is a prime example of governments trying to enforce their beliefs rather than the safety of the public. The thing that seems to irritate these officials the most is the fact that we are able to smoke in public, and where ever we want.. not only getting around the laws, but not quitting tobacco products as the leading authorities wish we did.

I did some searching from google and found a few links regarding Propylene Glycol, and only came up with effects relating being applied to the skin...

Harmful ingredients in personal care products

ABDITUS VERITAS OF HARMFUL INGREDIENTS.

I found a slightly more useful report, unfortunately it states under effects via inhalation... "not relevant"... *sigh*, so close, but I figured I would post it so we can be more aware of the findings...

Propylene glycol (PIM 443)

This article makes mention of a 11 year old boy going into seizures after taking a medication over the course of a year, and they also state for adults that "The estimated acceptable daily intake is 25 mg/kg (17th Report of the Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Food Additives, 1974)".

So being that this device is marketed only and HOPEFULLY only sold to adults, doesn't seem to me that their is any evidence stating that the Propylene Glycol is harmful to us, but I could be wrong and misreading, please correct me, this is why I am posting on the forum.

I do agree however, that their should be clinical testing funding from the manufactors themselves, and hope to see this soon say we can have a back bone to stand up against.

MagusSteele · 09-19-2008, 06:49 PM

Unfortunatly, reports and tests are meaningless to most government agencys.
This forum is full of reports that say PG or Vg are harmless in 99% of the cases, as long as its pure.
If its not, I am the only living corpse I ever met.

karenwest1961 · 09-19-2008, 07:19 PM

I hope y'all are stocked up. No joke.

trog100 · 09-19-2008, 09:08 PM

it isnt smoking as regards UK law.. nothing is lit or set fire to.. and UK tax is on tobacco not nicotine which can come from other sources..

other countries have different laws.. legally e smoking is not getting round smoking bans in bars.. it isnt legally smoking and thats that.. there is no getting round anything..

they are gonna have to try a bit harder than that to ban it.. its gonna need a whole new legal definition i think.. as yet they dont actually have one..

trog

Ruby · 09-19-2008, 09:18 PM

If they say it is lit & smoked Trog - that's the given truth

& what's worse is they do:

Is electronic cigarette smoking legal in public places UK?

trog100 · 09-20-2008, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruby

If they say it is lit & smoked Trog - that's the given truth

& what's worse is they do:

Is electronic cigarette smoking legal in public places UK?

they choose their words carefully.. but whatever they say it isnt lit or set fire to so it isnt smoked..

the smoking ban in the UK Is based around anything that can be set fire to (lit).. it isnt just tobbaco cigarettes.. in some ways it covers all.. but it also excludes things that are not set fire to..

hoist by their own petard so to speak..

trog

09-19-2008, 05:36 PM	#1
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09-19-2008, 06:24 PM	#5
strungmind Full Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 35	Well, we wanted more people to know about e-cigarettes, and now they do.... I think this is a prime example of governments trying to enforce their beliefs rather than the safety of the public. The thing that seems to irritate these officials the most is the fact that we are able to smoke in public, and where ever we want.. not only getting around the laws, but not quitting tobacco products as the leading authorities wish we did. I did some searching from google and found a few links regarding Propylene Glycol, and only came up with effects relating being applied to the skin... Harmful ingredients in personal care products ABDITUS VERITAS OF HARMFUL INGREDIENTS. I found a slightly more useful report, unfortunately it states under effects via inhalation... "not relevant"... sigh, so close, but I figured I would post it so we can be more aware of the findings... Propylene glycol (PIM 443) This article makes mention of a 11 year old boy going into seizures after taking a medication over the course of a year, and they also state for adults that "The estimated acceptable daily intake is 25 mg/kg (17th Report of the Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Food Additives, 1974)". So being that this device is marketed only and HOPEFULLY only sold to adults, doesn't seem to me that their is any evidence stating that the Propylene Glycol is harmful to us, but I could be wrong and misreading, please correct me, this is why I am posting on the forum. I do agree however, that their should be clinical testing funding from the manufactors themselves, and hope to see this soon say we can have a back bone to stand up against.

09-19-2008, 06:49 PM	#6
MagusSteele ECF Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NorthCoast, Cleveland, OH, USA, Terra, Sol System Posts: 536	Unfortunatly, reports and tests are meaningless to most government agencys. This forum is full of reports that say PG or Vg are harmless in 99% of the cases, as long as its pure. If its not, I am the only living corpse I ever met.

09-19-2008, 09:08 PM	#8
trog100 Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: UK Posts: 3,284	it isnt smoking as regards UK law.. nothing is lit or set fire to.. and UK tax is on tobacco not nicotine which can come from other sources.. other countries have different laws.. legally e smoking is not getting round smoking bans in bars.. it isnt legally smoking and thats that.. there is no getting round anything.. they are gonna have to try a bit harder than that to ban it.. its gonna need a whole new legal definition i think.. as yet they dont actually have one.. trog

09-19-2008, 09:18 PM	#9
Ruby ECF Veteran Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 152	If they say it is lit & smoked Trog - that's the given truth & what's worse is they do: Is electronic cigarette smoking legal in public places UK?