Reusable or Disposable? - Page 2 - E-Cigarette Forum

trog100 · 09-24-2008, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ludo

What would you think of a disposable that is reusable... I mean, current atomizers as they are but considered disposable... at a lower price with a 24 hour warranty (DOA=replacement)... at let's say 8 EURO per atomizer?

about right.. defective out of the box ones would have to be replaced but otherwise yes.. drop the long term guarantee.. they could be a little cheaper and only sold in batches of say five to keep handling costs down..

but loong totem got caught in the trap of having to put silly values on batteries so as to keep the initial kit price up.. assuming u want to..

u would have to find some compromise way around that problem..

trog

jarvis · 09-25-2008, 12:53 AM

I think a good solution is to modify the atomizer in a way so that the coil/fiber that burns out killing the atomizer can be easily replaced. These parts could only cost cents to make and a small bag of them could last an e-smoker for months! This would also minimize waste, as the whole atomizer tube wouldn't have to be thrown away after the cartridge is empty. Here's my illustration from another thread.

Dremel70 · 09-25-2008, 04:14 AM

I think Jarvis is on the right track. Makes sense to me but then again I'm from Mississippi. LMAO!

Jag1313 · 09-25-2008, 04:26 AM

Great idea but it would not work that way. After disecting atomizers, I saw that the fibers are passing the coil and end through holes in the ceramic tub (which encloses the coil) and are in contact with the outer metal mesh around the ceramic tub, means the metal mesh "guides" the liguid to the end of the coil fibers, the fibers carriy the liquid through the coil, in some models across the coil.

SMILIN · 09-25-2008, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nazareth

I like my reusable disposable loongtotems quite a lot, and I liek hte fact htat htey produce a ton more vapor and are easier to refill than conventional cartridges- so can't really vote in this poll unless you put that option in

What are longtotems, and where do you get em?

Ludo · 09-25-2008, 04:48 AM

@jarvis: really well done, but I must agree with Jag...

Even if it would work, the pieces are so tiny, not every user would be able to handle these small pieces I think...

News: We have just finished a trow away atomizer inside the cartridge model, just like the LT. Ok to be honest: we purchased the LT and copied it, then we improved it. Needs a bit more testing but looks alright for now... it's just that we think it still is kind of unnecessary waste, so we are considering other options too.

Nazareth · 09-25-2008, 04:54 AM

smilin- loongtotem is a highly overpriced company that sells a product where the atomizer is built right into their cartridges and you just throw away their cartridges when they run dry and pop a new one in and wallah- you have brand new atomizer everytime ya change the cartridge. I said awhile ago that we should start seeing manufacturers movign to htis type of atomizer in cartridge design as it silves hte problem of atomizers always dropping dead, and it gives a much better vapor production as well- the only problem with loongtotem though is hte price of their rediculously high shipping and the high battery prices (As well as the fact that their batteries are a real crap-shoot- ya never know if you'll get one that functions or not, & if not, you're then stuck with the dead battery because it would cost way too much to send it back and have loongtotem send another one out & charge shiop[ping again), so this stopped a lot of people from trying them

Ludo- what do ya mean waste? Throwing away the atomizers everytime? or do you mean waste of fluid in the cartridges?

dc2k08 · 09-25-2008, 05:00 AM

jarvis, i remember you said that before and i agree with you. if you ever get to see the atomizer from a disposable cigar, you can see that it could be done easily if the design allowed you to get at the atomizer without cutting up the casing.

ludo, is this the new model janty have been teasing the other forum with?

Ludo · 09-25-2008, 05:02 AM

I mean trowing away the cart with the atomizer inside...it just doesn't seem right to us. We're looking into another option though... need some thinking here..

@dc2k08: well... many thinks being developed right now, we're discussing what to launch first..

jarvis · 09-25-2008, 06:34 AM

I see what you mean about some people not being able to handle the tiny pieces Ludo perhaps there could be a special little tool involved, like putting batteries in hearing aids.

View Poll Results: Reusable/Refillable or Disposable or both?
Reusable/Refillable	35	77.78%
Disposable	15	33.33%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll

09-25-2008, 04:48 AM	#16
Ludo Supplier ECF Veteran Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: S.E.A Posts: 818	@jarvis: really well done, but I must agree with Jag... Even if it would work, the pieces are so tiny, not every user would be able to handle these small pieces I think... News: We have just finished a trow away atomizer inside the cartridge model, just like the LT. Ok to be honest: we purchased the LT and copied it, then we improved it. Needs a bit more testing but looks alright for now... it's just that we think it still is kind of unnecessary waste, so we are considering other options too. __________________ http://www.jantyworld.com - Original Manufacturer and Supplier

09-25-2008, 05:00 AM	#18
dc2k08 Ultra Member ECF Veteran Join Date: May 2008 Location: .ie Posts: 1,799 Tweet this post!	jarvis, i remember you said that before and i agree with you. if you ever get to see the atomizer from a disposable cigar, you can see that it could be done easily if the design allowed you to get at the atomizer without cutting up the casing. ludo, is this the new model janty have been teasing the other forum with? Last edited by dc2k08; 09-25-2008 at 05:03 AM.

09-25-2008, 05:02 AM	#19
Ludo Supplier ECF Veteran Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: S.E.A Posts: 818	I mean trowing away the cart with the atomizer inside...it just doesn't seem right to us. We're looking into another option though... need some thinking here.. @dc2k08: well... many thinks being developed right now, we're discussing what to launch first.. __________________ http://www.jantyworld.com - Original Manufacturer and Supplier Last edited by Ludo; 09-25-2008 at 05:22 AM.

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09-25-2008, 12:53 AM	#12
jarvis Senior Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tx Posts: 262	I think a good solution is to modify the atomizer in a way so that the coil/fiber that burns out killing the atomizer can be easily replaced. These parts could only cost cents to make and a small bag of them could last an e-smoker for months! This would also minimize waste, as the whole atomizer tube wouldn't have to be thrown away after the cartridge is empty. Here's my illustration from another thread.

09-25-2008, 04:14 AM	#13
Dremel70 Full Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 34	I think Jarvis is on the right track. Makes sense to me but then again I'm from Mississippi. LMAO!

09-25-2008, 04:26 AM	#14
Jag1313 Full Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: US-FL Posts: 120	Great idea but it would not work that way. After disecting atomizers, I saw that the fibers are passing the coil and end through holes in the ceramic tub (which encloses the coil) and are in contact with the outer metal mesh around the ceramic tub, means the metal mesh "guides" the liguid to the end of the coil fibers, the fibers carriy the liquid through the coil, in some models across the coil.

09-25-2008, 04:54 AM	#17
Nazareth Ultra Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,302	smilin- loongtotem is a highly overpriced company that sells a product where the atomizer is built right into their cartridges and you just throw away their cartridges when they run dry and pop a new one in and wallah- you have brand new atomizer everytime ya change the cartridge. I said awhile ago that we should start seeing manufacturers movign to htis type of atomizer in cartridge design as it silves hte problem of atomizers always dropping dead, and it gives a much better vapor production as well- the only problem with loongtotem though is hte price of their rediculously high shipping and the high battery prices (As well as the fact that their batteries are a real crap-shoot- ya never know if you'll get one that functions or not, & if not, you're then stuck with the dead battery because it would cost way too much to send it back and have loongtotem send another one out & charge shiop[ping again), so this stopped a lot of people from trying them Ludo- what do ya mean waste? Throwing away the atomizers everytime? or do you mean waste of fluid in the cartridges?

09-25-2008, 06:34 AM	#20
jarvis Senior Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tx Posts: 262	I see what you mean about some people not being able to handle the tiny pieces Ludo perhaps there could be a special little tool involved, like putting batteries in hearing aids.