Reusable or Disposable?

[leaford]

I came up with idea so if someone copies it I will sue for copyright.
All suppliers if you could come up with something pm me and I will go on dragons den and ask for £1000000 for 5%.
If you dont know what dragons den is you dont live in UK.

I love Dragon's Den. If only American Inventor had been more like that. Of course, it could use a bit, just a bit, of AI's zany contraptions and kooky contestants. Just a touch. Not much.

[Nazareth]

To be honest- I don't even like how the vapor works from penstyles anymore- it's different than the vapor from the loongtotem, I'm not really sure what that differencei s except maybe the smoothness of the vapor inhale or soemthing- while smooth htough, it still gives a quite nice hit when high nic carts are used. Now, having said htis, I have not tried hte 4 hole atomizers for hte penstyles, so I can't make the comparison to those, but I had becoem quite disenchanted with the hard draw of the 2 hole atomizers, and hte harshness of hte hit- & when I tried the loong for hte first time- I knew immediately it was a nicer draw, smoother hit, and produced twice as much vapor at least (soemtimes with a tripple-draw, it almost reaches 3 times the vapor, and is consistent htrouhgout hte day- I like the long lasting cartridges much better as well, as the design is such that it really does last quite a bitl ogner than traditional penstyles-

But.... the batteries ... grrr... I don't so much mind as I do still get 3+ hours, and hte charge is around 3-4 hours for a worn down one, but I switch mine out throughout hte day so no big deal. I really think that with a little tweakign to the design, the throwaways are hte way to go, as they can be refilled and used until they simply crap out on ya, then put another in at that point. I'm getting a coupel of days now from cartridges, and I can vary the taste with different liquids, and hwen hte atomizers burns the cotton- I just pop a new one in- That burnign of cotton though is the tweak that needs to be made & I think it will be a perfect set-up then- Use hte atomizer till it dies, then pop another in.

Keep the batteries rechargeable though- like Trog said, filling landfills with batteries won't be good, and ya just know people are goign ot throw 'disposable batteries' out hte window of car while driving.

This atomizer in cartridge is probably the best way to go as we have hte option of simply throwing hte atomizer cartridge away when the factory prefill dries out, or, refilling for htose who don't mind takign an extra 10 seconds out of hteir life to do so, thus extending hte life of hte cartridge/atomizer to a couple of days or so. The only problem though would be for the manufacturers/sellers who won't get quite hte profits from those who refill.

One thing that NEEDS to be doen however is to come up with adapter kits to use other batteries- but I spose that'd be up to us consumers to coem up with

[Mr.Darcy]

i think an improved,cheaper and more locally available version of the LT would be a god send...id buy it in a second...i bet we all would.

[Nazareth]

Ecigg might just have that product- but hten the shipping from them- iffy- Yup we need cheaper and more local/reliable ones for sure- The loong is quite good, but liek I said, it does need tweaking to prevent the burnt cotton (however, all atomizers 'burn', these just don't burn a fiber-like material like pesntyles do- it just burns the cotton wrapping- It alos needs to get a tweak in the flavor department a bit- the design does cut down on the flavor a bit- but refilling does help some, just not quite enough in my opinion- Those are hte only two issues I've really got with the design- the battery issue/price will be overcoem I'm sure, especially if Ecig batteries fit- so that's not big deal design issue-wise- but hte other two issues do need to be worked on

[trog100]

this come down to money thow naz.. lets not forget some atomizers cost plenty.. making em cheap enough to throw away each time a cart is changed must be difficult..

bob hit the nail on the head when he said all his friends lose interest when they realize u cant just take one out of the packet and smoke it.. the chinese are trying to cater for people that want the impossible.. they dont overly care about landfill sites either.. to feed our desire for "gizmos" they are wrecking their own piece of the planet.. they aint gonna care much about our piece of it..

so we are talking two different things here.. the design of the new atomizers and the throw away each cart change factor.. there is no reason one (using the new design) cant be made a little better that isnt thrown away each time a cart is changed

the answer to the burning wool problem is easy.. surround the heater coil with wire wool just like the old design has.. it will still work and wont burn the nylon wool..

a hint.. for someone.. ??

trog

[leaford]

Now that is a good idea. Surround the vertical heating coil with a wire wool cylinder, and attach the wrapping to the outside of the cylinder. Put it in a mouthpiece cylinder with a pop off top, similar to how Naz does it.

[Nazareth]

this come down to money thow naz.. lets not forget some atomizers cost plenty.. making em cheap enough to throw away each time a cart is changed must be difficult..

bob hit the nail on the head when he said all his friends lose interest when they realize u cant just take one out of the packet and smoke it.. the chinese are trying to cater for people that want the impossible.. they dont overly care about landfill sites either.. to feed our desire for "gizmos" they are wrecking their own piece of the planet.. they aint gonna care much about our piece of it..

so we are talking two different things here.. the design of the new atomizers and the throw away each cart change factor.. there is no reason one (using the new design) cant be made a little better that isnt thrown away each time a cart is changed

the answer to the burning wool problem is easy.. surround the heater coil with wire wool just like the old design has.. it will still work and wont burn the nylon wool..

a hint.. for someone.. ??

trog

I dunno Trog- people I talk to don't seem put off by the concept- just talked to brother in law about it & He's goign to get one- I've had several people more put off by hte price than with changing the cartridges to be honest

The wool idea might work, but the heater coil might just heat the wool up to where it burned the cotton too- but perhaps not, but even if it did, it would take longer for cotton to burn-

[Kimmiegrif]

I have changed my mind...the ones now are partially disposable if used hard. I would rather have very very high quality die hard ecigs that last forever! I would pay some dollars for that. Then if for some reason the govts decide they can't be sold...we'd all ready have them, then it would just be the juice we'd have to learn to make...change my vote please to reusable.

[leaford]

I would like both, really. The disposables are convenient, cheap (or could be), and reliable (if one fails, toss it and move on). But, at the same time it's a consumer electronic device, and I am used to keeping me electronics long enough to get to know it and its quirks, to invest it with personality, and even some emotional attachment. You don't want to get between me and my Pocket PC Phone, for example. I would like to be able to do the same with my trusty e-cig, but they keep breaking up with me just when I'm still falling in love!

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Now this here's a very interesting thread. We DO have disposable devices, but they're party pieces - the throwaway cigars. I loved the ones I got but the price point is hard. Basically I'm going to use them like I use champagne - as a treat on a special occasion. Use and toss cigs are still some way away. I'd buy such a thing if it ever got off the blue-sky board and on to ebay but I think venality will strangle it at birth.

Trog, I'll keep my eye out for your ebay gizmos (gotta be a winner - I'll back myself to replace the atomiser when she blows) but I won't bid unless you can supply a chinese instruction manual.

Do you sell under the trog100 ID - or could you post the item ID when it's up? On the other hand PM me - who needs the competition...

Emp