"freezing" juice?

[kinabaloo]

I don't know quite why, instinct, gut feeling (same thing, different words ), but I just get the feeling of total honesty from Sun. I think he's stepped out of a comfort zone once again (I don't think I was here the first time) just to help others with what he feels is truth. I believe he did lose a lot of liquid while stored in the refrigerator and as he stated, it was different liquids from different companies, so the culprit wasn't a certain mixture from a certain company.

I think most of us, I know I do, feel that keeping items in the refrigerator is a safety factor, keeping an item cool keeps it fresh and protects it from breaking down and becoming unusable. I know I've kept cigarettes in the refrigerator, batteries, and so much more and it's always worked so it's difficult for me to step out of this comfort zone, especially with something that has cost me a lot of money, something that might get banned so it's that much more important to protect it. On top of that DH is soon retiring and I'm trying to get up enough e-liquid, etc. so that the first year or so will be cost free with my vaping.

I have this really strong feeling, perhaps Sun's honesty and desire to help others avoid going through what he did, that it's important to keep the liquid out of the refrigerator. So until I feel otherwise, and get information that convinces me otherwise, I for one will keep the liquid out of the refrigerator.

That being said, I guess all that is left is, thank you Sun.

Sorry to hear you base your decision on one person' story. If that's the way to learn we'd never learn anything.

So much for the reasearch in terms of suppliers and manufacturer that you said you'd do. After just reply that didnt fit your preconception, jump to conclusion!

[shivadance]

Sorry to hear you base your decision on one person' story. If that's the way to learn we'd never learn anything.

Awfully glib comment there, kinabaloo.

Humanity has a long oral tradition of stories and moral lessions handed down by the storyteller from generation to generation. I never doubt there are lessons to be learned even if only learned and told one at a time.

I don't fully agree with keeping juice out of the fridge, but I'd sure need a reason before putting it there. I'm glad sun has told his story so at least people can be aware that it has happened.

My house is a cool, refreshing 71 degrees thanks to my heat intolerant brother. No issues storing liquid in my closet!

[kinabaloo]

Awfully glib comment there, kinabaloo.

Humanity has a long oral tradition of stories and moral lessions handed down by the storyteller from generation to generation. I never doubt there are lessons to be learned even if only learned and told one at a time.

I don't fully agree with keeping juice out of the fridge, but I'd sure need a reason before putting it there. I'm glad sun has told his story so at least people can be aware that it has happened.

My house is a cool, refreshing 71 degrees thanks to my heat intolerant brother. No issues storing liquid in my closet!

I am taking into account these stories; I think the issue is open; which is why it is dissappointing that the person who says that they will look into it, jumps to a conclusion only hours later.

Air tight and out of daylight are most important. Temp may not make much difference. But if anything cooler is very likely to be better; it is for most things.

[SharonLM]

Sorry to hear you base your decision on one person' story. If that's the way to learn we'd never learn anything.

So much for the reasearch in terms of suppliers and manufacturer that you said you'd do. After just reply that didnt fit your preconception, jump to conclusion!

Oh kinabaloo, talk about jumping to conclusions. I stated I had already written 6 or was it 7 suppliers. I printed one of the answers already and reported two of the others are checking with their suppliers so they could give us an answer from the source. I said I would continue to report and I will. How in the world did you conclude, because I removed my e-liquid from the refrigerator that I was no longer going to do the research and copy it here?

I simply choose to take mine out of the refrigerator until I get information from the little bit of research I'm trying to do that shows me that it'd be wise to put it back in.

I'm not jumping to conclusions, I'm choosing to (my choice) follow Sun's advice.

No worries, I'll report if I get emails back.

[dedmonwakin]

Wow, how could such a cold subject, become such a heated debate?

[kinabaloo]

Oh kinabaloo, talk about jumping to conclusions. I stated I had already written 6 or was it 7 suppliers. I printed one of the answers already and reported two of the others are checking with their suppliers so they could give us an answer from the source. I said I would continue to report and I will. How in the world did you conclude, because I removed my e-liquid from the refrigerator that I was no longer going to do the research and copy it here?

I simply choose to take mine out of the refrigerator until I get information from the little bit of research I'm trying to do that shows me that it'd be wise to put it back in.

I'm not jumping to conclusions, I'm choosing to (my choice) follow Sun's advice.

No worries, I'll report if I get emails back.

"So until I feel otherwise, and get information that convinces me otherwise, I for one will keep the liquid out of the refrigerator.

That being said, I guess all that is left is, thank you Sun."

If this meant "I will continue to report", then great

[crazyhorse]

Dekang Biotechnology and subsidiaries recommend refrigerated storage. The Dekang rep who posts on the forum suggests 4°C is ideal. This is 39.2°F

Reference to the below quotes will be found in post #7 of Dekang Biotechnology - here to answer all your e-liquid questions (consumers)

"The main factor influencing e-liquid shelf life is bacterial contamination. E-liquid contains sugar and are therefore prone bacterial contamination."

AND

"For long term storage, please keep your e-liquid in a dark cool place. The fridge (4 degree C) would be ideal. In addition, keeping it in an airtight container will also help."

Personally, I keep my e-liquids in the warm area of a 36° F refrigerator. I remove only enough to last for days at the time and the supply bottles immediately return to refrigerated storage. Not much experience here but after three months of this, my liquids are all as good as new. Even the ones that are drained to 20% or less are just fine. Of course, the ones that were born foul remain so but that is to be expected.

[SharonLM]

Wow, how could such a cold subject, become such a heated debate?

Lovely sense of humor, I think we needed that smile.

OK, another report just came in:

Quote of an email:

Sharon, I checked with our e-liquid manufacturer and the e-liquid should be
stored in a dark cool place and will stay good for a year. If you store it
in the refrigerator, it will stay good for 2 years. The ideal storage
temperature is between 32 and 50 degrees Fahrenheit. I hope I have
addressed your question appropriately.

Let your e-cig forum friends know that storing the e-liquid in the
refrigerator will actually make it stay good for a year longer. I'd say it
would be advisable to store it in the refrigerator during the summer months,
especially if you do not have air conditioning.

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

Thanks,
eCigSmokersChoice

[kinabaloo]

Wow, how could such a cold subject, become such a heated debate?

Just a debate, and some passion. I want to open my e-fridge and offer everyone an e-beer or e-choc-ice

There are some related issues worth looking at - such as whether plastic is wise for the long term (might be slightly air permeable) or leech ~~~ (forget the name, has been in the news re ready meals and babies bottles).

[Rexa]

I read through all these posts and I recall a supplier a few months ago saying (and I specifically remember it being a woman but I do not remember who it was) that she stores everything in a fridge at a constant temperature of 39-40 F.

Now I don't know if this was a special fridge specifally designated for storing e-liquid.

Perhaps industrial-type/expensive fridges are more suitable and stable for properly storing eliquids versus a typical everyday fridge where if something goes wrong (like a couple of my fridges from the past) and stuff starts turning frosty.