Johnson Creek Smoke Juice: New & Improved - Comment, anyone?

[phylo]

Kinda off topic, but I just wanted to post this since I did mention that we had gotten this stuff from E-smokeytreats. Phil got back to me very swiftly and is more than willing to make everything right. Just thought he deserved credit for it since it's not like he makes the stuff, it's actually JCs problem. Still, he stands behind what he sells and I still highly recommend the site.

Thanks for the kind words, I was told by Christian that the batch he sent me shouldn't give anyone any problems so I was surprised to hear that you were having issues.. And yes I do stand by the products I sell and will do what it takes to make things right with my customers!

Phil

[Keef]

I am also trying to figure out if this is the PG or NPG or both that people are having problems with ?.

Reason: I Noticed steve has added the sample packs to his site available from 21st Nov and was planning buying one or more .

Was going to buy the PG.

Now worrying about these sample packs.

Any way to tell if they are the new batch ?.

I suppose if I buy some new atomisers at the same time and use them exclusively with the JC then if there is a problem he will replace the lot.

[Bertrand]

For the record, I bought some a couple of weeks ago (some glycerine and some propylene glycol - I wanted to see if I had the same irritation from another brand of propylene glycol based fluid - I did.)

I haven't seen any crystallization, growths or separation in either type. I have kept the stuff at room temperature.

[taz3cat]

I got a sample pack about three weeks ago and it was the new stuff, it is clear and not any sediment in them.

I have never lost an adomizer to JC juice. Admoizers do not give any warning they just die. Sometimes the self-clean, or we let the cart get too dry or who knows.

[mEtoke2]

Right after Johnson Creek announced their new formula I bought a bottle of Tennessee Cured 24mg PG. On 10/7/08 I ordered the sample pack 24mg PG. Both my wife and I have not had any atomizer issues with any of the flavors. The juice is clear, no cloudiness and no separation. I also keep mine at room temp. I did have problems with the old batch that were resolved by JC.

I believe CaSH is right that some have recieved the old batch. This problem seems to be centered overseas. Could this be the time lag of suppliers ordering it from the U.S. and being shipped to the U.k. and then distributed there? If your juice is cloudy or separating when left sitting for a day or two it is not the new formula and it should be returned to the supplier.

[Kate]

Phil confirmed that the juice he sold Rikkus was from the new batch. That's the lot that got gloopy.

[phylo]

Actually it is not from the latest batch, but it was from a batch that was supposedly part of the batch that had gone through the new filtering process.

Phil

[mEtoke2]

Actually it is not from the latest batch, but it was from a batch that was supposedly part of the batch that had gone through the new filtering process.

Phil

I had multiple bottles from the "new filtering process" batch and although they where much better than before they were still a little cloudy and sediment would form if the bottles were left to stand. It also sucked the life out of my atomizers but at a slower rate. Below is the next step JC took:

in the past week, we have asked an outside resource to look at our process and try to identify any possible culprits. She concluded that it may not be possible to truly filter out some of the flavoring oils used on some of the tobacco leaves. Further, that it may be possible that these oils could cause a problem. Though we purchase only dry tobacco, some in the mixture did have flavoring oil/residue on them. This is the only remaining possibility and one that we will now aggressively pursue.
Therefore, effective Monday 9/22/08, we will no longer use natural tobacco in any of our smoke juice and will instead switch to a tobacco flavoring liquid with nicotine.

This formula with tobacco flavoring liquid with nicotine has caused me no problems. I was very dissapointed with JC juice until this latest change and to be fair I am very satisfied now. So if you have any JC liquid that has any cloudiness at all or a small amount of sediment on the bottom it is not their latest, it was produced before 9/22/08.

[coinmaster]

It's non-PG, right?
I just find it little hard to believe something could live in 70% or so PG.

Nope, it's both PG and VG. And it's ALL useless. Decent sized order too - I'm mighty disappointed, but as I've posted elsewhere, shipping costs to and from NZ mean that it's not even worth sending it back.

I just won't buy any more.

[Kimmiegrif]

I must be a freak but no probs with the new batch! I would like to see it not so thin...makes for more frequent topping off of the cart, but no probs...