2 Things I wish someone had told me long ago re:808s and upscale juice.

**Ralikar** · 07-25-2012, 06:40 PM

1) If you are in the 808 world like I was for over a year... LEAVE! the 808 world is too expensive! Had I know 5 cartos are $5 in the 501 world I would have bailed long ago... They are $10 in the 808 world. A 1300 X2 costs $30, a 1100 regular Ego like 14$. LEAVE!

2) Juice. DIY! DIY DIY! I just ordered my second batch and can now make for $35 what I was paying $120 for. If only I had known. You don't have to do it the hard way at all--do it the easy way at first. Wizard's Lab will sell you the nic juice in the strength and PG/VG you want for cheap. Go to Capella for noob-proof single flavors. Dump in the % of flavor into the pre-made juice and BAM! 36mg cinnamon Danish of 80/20 or 70/30 etc. It is that easy... Do the difficult combos later if you want. If you're vaping JC summer peach for $20/30ml, you can buy 30ml of 36mg in any PG/VG premade combo at WL for $2.75, toss in $2.50 or so of Capella raspberry (15% or so) and be set. Save your money!!

GL!

**carlton M** · 07-25-2012, 06:44 PM

DIY- Forever! Now all my $$$ goes to buying flavors! It's better now that I found Vaping Zone super concentrated- check 'em out!

**recidivus** · 07-25-2012, 06:59 PM

Couldn't agree more, although I wouldn't have learned half of what I know now if I was satisfied with my first 808. It's a logical first step. Smoker wants to stop smoking and sees cigalikes as a more reasonable replacement than some sharpy with a tank on it. Less parts to fiddle with it should be better/easier. I get it, I did the same thing at first. DIY are the same as the 808 to start, premades just seem easier and DIY can sound daunting to a new vaper. No syringes, safety, measuring, just top up and go. That said, the price of DIY is ludicrously low once you start buying the bases in larger quantities (easily half the cost, EASILY). It may not sound like much but it adds up, and the money saved can go to new hardware.

**VaporPhreak** · 07-25-2012, 07:20 PM

Completely agree on the DIY point. My DIY Double Mint Menthol works out to right around $0.13 per ml. I was paying $4.25 for a 10ml bottle before, now only $1.30 for the same amount of juice. And considering I burn through upwards of 5ml a day... yeah, DIY is the best.

As for 808 vs 510, I cant really speak to that. I never really got into cartos until the 510 carto's started coming on the scene. And now, I am 510 tank man.

**six** · 07-25-2012, 09:14 PM

I started out with 510 and stuck with it.

I've been seriously considering DIY juice lately, but there are a few juices I use regularly and enjoy quite a lot that are difficult if not impossible to replicate the flavor of (according to my reading anyway). The juices I get from AVE and BWB account for 2/3 of my vaping. I'd be a little stressed without my AVE 555, Bobas, PGHype and my BWB Applewood and Honey Flue Cured.

**CommaHolly** · 07-25-2012, 10:15 PM

Oh, I don't know,,,,,,,If I want to, I can get 20 808 cartos for 20 bucks,,,,,,I usually buy the Smokeless Image ones though,,,,,a bit more pricey, but they are bottom coil, and can be refilled many many times,,,,,,,Maybe I'm just not that picky, but if I boil them and dry them out for a day or two, I can refill them without flavor issues. I think I've gone a month on 6 cartos, and that's TWO of us. I did just order more, though. By keeping one carto to a juice, though, I think we could go much longer before having to replace.

As for DIY, we are headed down to 0 mg nic, so I do think that's probably the way to go for us, for at LEAST the single flavors,,,,,peach, strawberry, etc,,,,,,,,,save that money for the ones we love that are more complicated,,,buttery nipple, etc.