American Spirit Cigarettes better than E-Cigs???

[BOREMAN]

Angus,
Thank you for backing me up!

I know that PG is in alot of food stuff, I have also told her that. But she has researched all the bad things in PG, blah, blah, blah....I wish I could remember all the things she was spouting off, but it was a month or more ago, so I don't even remember it all. But her disdain and stance against e-cigs has really been eating at me. To want her husband (my brother) to keep smoking American Spirits instead of giving e-cigs a try, really ticks me off.

I do know that if/when I tell her that anything burned (American Spirits) produces carcinogens, she is going to spout back with...."Well, what do you think you're doing, you're "burning" that nic-juice that you're inhaling!" Arrrrgh

I am just so frustrated, and I haven't even started the trip to our family get-together today, where I will probably see her. Maybe she will be sick and won't make it!! LOL

What you (we) are exhaling from an ecig is NOT anything that is "burned". We are actually only exhaling vaporized water, which dissipates very quickly and is NOT hazardous as "second hand" smoke to anyone like it is with an actual cigarette.
Sounds like your sister-in-law will never change her opinion regarding ecigs. Most know-it-alls never do change their opinion, even when proven wrong.
GOOD LUCK, sounds like you need it (as always is the case when dealing with a KNOW-IT-ALL), LOL ! ! !

[AngusATAT]

I haven't even started vaping yet. I'm ordering my first PV tomorrow night. But I've spent a lot of time researching my decision to switch to e-cigs. There is so much disinformation out there it's not even funny.

I had a sister-in-law that was much like yours. Thought she knew everything. I used to enjoy proving her wrong.

[LaceyUnderall]

This might be over your sister-in-laws head as it sounds like much might be (no offense)... however....

A synopsis of the pdf as presented by yvilla...

"A review of the available data has shown propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol to be negative for carcinogenicity in studies conducted up to the testing limit doses established by the Agency; therefore, no further carcinogenic analysis is required."

And just for good measure, here is the paragraph about toxicity in general:

"Upon reviewing the available toxicity information, the Agency has concluded that there are no endpoints of concern for oral, dermal, or inhalation exposure to propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol. This conclusion is based on the results of toxicity testing of propylene glycol and dipropylene glycol in which dose levels near or above testing limits (as established in the OPPTS 870 series harmonized test guidelines) were employed in experimental animal studies and no significant toxicity observed."

http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/reregist...glycol_red.pdf

On a side note: The EPA appears to be funded by our tax dollars, while the FDA is funded by tax dollars AND those who are seeking applications for approval (Pharm) AND NOW by the tobacco industry. Go figure on which one I think is in a better position to be believed

EDIT: I have just emailed the EPA to verify this is true

[SLDS181]

What you (we) are exhaling from an ecig is NOT anything that is "burned". We are actually only exhaling vaporized water, which dissipates very quickly and is NOT hazardous as "second hand" smoke to anyone like it is with an actual cigarette.

Its not water vapor, its PG vapor.

[RenaissancePuffer]

Something else to have her read, if she doesn't mind educating herself.

Ethylene Glycol and Propylene Glycol Toxicity: What is Propylene Glycol | ATSDR - Environmental Medicine & Environmental Health Education - CSEM

If she really wants to understand the difference between Ethylene Glycol and Propylene Glycol, she can start at the very top and work her way down. This may be a couple of hours or so of learning to soak in, but after reading the document only speaking of Propylene Glycol, it's fairly clear, it's safe.

I hope this helps.

[framitz]

Some people just like to argue no matter what the subject is. The thing is you have to lead them to believe they are the authority on the subject and lead them to find the right answers so they can tell you what is right. I have relatives like this and arguing with them just makes it worse. It is tricky to work and this probably sounds like nonsense, but I think some folks will see where I'm coming from.

[dragonpuff]

I would remind her that the majority of serious injuries incurred in house fires are due to smoke inhalation , and that people frequently die in house fires because of that.

I ordinarily would never advocate for arguing with a brick wall of any kind, but i understand that you are fighting for your brother, and i would do the same. Good luck to you!

[vapourhead]

An interesting note about tobacco and additives:

All tobacco grown for domestic consumption is sprayed from seed to harvest with 14 known carcinogens. American Spirit tobacco, owned by Camel, is a tobacco product grown for domestic consumption.

The facts about smoke itself not withstanding, American Spirit's claim to have no added chemicals may be true -- no salt peter, no additional ammonia beyond the curing process, nothing sneaky in the paper or the filter, etc... But the fact that the plant itself has been sprayed from seed to harvest with pesticides, and other chemicals known to cause cancer is something I am deeply grateful to be free of (and then I pause to consider that the nicotine in my e liquid comes from tobacco leaves and I start to wonder.)

Fact is, it's illegal to "grow your own" tobacco in the US. You must comply with federal regulations, and thus, spray your tobacco from seed to harvest with at least 14 known carcinogens. No health test has ever been conducted on tobacco which does not contain these chemicals.

I think every smoker would like to see an isolated experiment using simple organic tobacco, cured in as chemical free a manner as possible. But that's never going to happen. We're well past the point of questioning the research, but to think that American Spirit are more healthy that another brand of tobacco grown for US domestic consumption is like saying a big mac is healthier than a whopper. It's marketing, nothing more.

[DigDreams]

For those that don't know - all pharmacies carry PG, it's what they use to control dosage in liquid medicines. You started drinking it when you were a kid and you brush your teeth with it every day. It's NOT antifreeze.

[SLDS181]

It's NOT antifreeze.

Just because something freezes at a lower temperature does not make it bad. PG is used as anti-freeze, a non-toxic anti-freeze. That does not make PG bad for you, its simply a property of PG.