E-Cig / VP market share and trends

[surbitonPete]

It would certainly be interesting to have some idea of how many people are vaping or how many end up giving up with it and going back to smoking. You really have to 'believe' it's healthier than smoking tobacco to want to keep on doing it. That's why I can't see it appealing to kids at all.

[Archer]

I've never seen anyone else vaping before. My guess is we need some of the big companies to get in the market before enough people even know about vaping.

[aseeryl]

The biggest problem with widening and significant usage (changeover from analogs) is that the tobacco industry and governments wherever will be compelled by loss of revenue and loss of control to find a way of imposing taxes using whatever spurious, but plausible, excuses they can invent The option of banning will be ineffective (as with illegal drugs) and easily circumvented - look at Australia -especially when the general population won't really care to support a ban.

[surbitonPete]

The biggest problem with widening and significant usage (changeover from analogs) is that the tobacco industry and governments wherever will be compelled by loss of revenue and loss of control to find a way of imposing taxes using whatever spurious, but plausible, excuses they can invent The option of banning will be ineffective (as with illegal drugs) and easily circumvented - look at Australia -especially when the general population won't really care to support a ban.

Yes it might have been very easy to get supporters for anti-smoking groups because every non smoker hated the 'smell' of tobacco with a passion....but it would be very hard to get supporters for an Anti-vaping group. That's what the likes of ASH are panicking about, they will soon start to loose their supporters (and their income) if smokers all start converting to vaping.

[trog100]

you could use the number of users online in this place..

a year ago it was around 20 or less at any one time.. its as good a growth yardstick as any.. growth over the last year has been pretty rapid..

to be blunt i think the potential demand for e cigs is f-cking huge... legal storm clouds are the big unknown..

officialdom itself has created this demand by doing such good job of demonizing tobbaco.. there is a world full of sh-t scared nicotine addicts desperate to grab what they see as a safer alternative to tobacco smoking that actually works....

having said that i am sure the vast majority of potential users have never heard of e cigs..

trog

[kinabaloo]

you could use the number of users online in this place..

a year ago it was around 20 or less at any one time.. its as good a growth yardstick as any.. growth over the last year has been pretty rapid..

to be blunt i think the potential demand for e cigs is f-cking huge... legal storm clouds are the big unknown..

officialdom itself has created this demand by doing such good job of demonizing tobbaco.. there is a world full of sh-t scared nicotine addicts desperate to grab what they see as a safer alternative to tobacco smoking that actually works....

having said that i am sure the vast majority of potential users have never heard of e cigs..

trog

If there are say 1/2billion smokers in the world then my 0.2% share would suggest 1 million vapers; this seems a bit of an over-estimate. Though it might be 0.2% in the US, and perhaps the UK also; or soon will be.

Certainly the potential is huge.

[kinabaloo]

I've never seen anyone else vaping before. My guess is we need some of the big companies to get in the market before enough people even know about vaping.

It all depends who these 'big companies' are ...

Was wondering if the manufacturing capacity would be able to cope / grow fast enough; I think it could adapt pretty fast.

[kinabaloo]

The biggest problem with widening and significant usage (changeover from analogs) is that the tobacco industry and governments wherever will be compelled by loss of revenue and loss of control to find a way of imposing taxes using whatever spurious, but plausible, excuses they can invent The option of banning will be ineffective (as with illegal drugs) and easily circumvented - look at Australia -especially when the general population won't really care to support a ban.

I understand your reasoning, but we are probably already at the point now where some sort of regulation will happen, so our best bet is to go for large numbers of users.

And spreading the use is surely appropraite on moral grounds too.

[kinabaloo]

Is VP a mod?

I meant of course PV

[kinabaloo]

I can't see it appealing to kids at all.

I agree. Not so much because of cost, just the image and 'fuss' just not going to appeal.

There is already a major drug problem with kids, and that's alcohol (UK anyway).