Liquid cheating

[gashin]

Always buy from the well-known liquid sellers! I've tried all the major Chinese and US ones and have never been cheated. Good sellers will have sealed containers.

[BlondieLocs]

Clever girl, well.. i will have to go into the kitchen next time and weigh the darned thing!

Just don't order it "well done" next time.

[KevinG]

Posting slightly late but someone nailed it on the head.

The bottle size is not "exact". We sell 1oz bottles and I know for a fact they are filled with 1.2-1.25oz. The bottle although clearly sold as a 1oz bottle holds 1oz up till the area where it tapers up. Above that line is technically overfill above the "1oz" it is supposed to hold.

[Elokin6]

I'd have to go with it's the machinery (and lack of quality control). Most machines that fill containers with liquid are set to a certain level, 30ml for example. The machine will keep spitting out a max of 30ml, but if there is a jam, the liquid is heavier or thinner, a delay, or any other reason, it will only spit out a max of 30ml, never more, sometimes less. Then in a manufacturing environment they have quality control people that go and measure the size of random bottles from each batch and in some companies they even check every single bottle. Then they pull the under filled bottles out, either throw them out or open them and re-add it the main liquid batch or sell them as under filled bottles (at clearance prices).

I agree that the machines are probably a big part of the problem. I had a friend who worked at a micro brewery in town, and under-filled bottles were pretty common. The quality control person's job was to spot the under fills and wonky labels and take out the bottles before they were packaged for shipment (the under filled bottles often ended up in my fridge ). I would assume that the macheins used to fill the e-juice bottles have similar issues. I'm guessing the quality control sucks pretty bad.

Also, as Walrus brought up, I've also noticed that the labeled size of bottles does not match the actual size. Sometimes it makes it look like you are getting less even when you are getting the right amount.

There could be suppliers who are knowingly shorting their customers, but I would think that's pretty rare. I almost always buy from Rocky Mountain Vapor or EcigSmokeStore and I know I can trust them. I'm sure if I ever ran across an underfilled bottle, they would take care of me.

[1inchgroup]

What I'm wondering is if that's just how Dekang bottles it.. therefore cheating vendors and then ultimately us..
Or if vendors are pulling some out and extending profits?
Honestly I'm thinking it's the first because it seems to be a common problem.
They label it as 30mls on the bottle, it definitely isn't.
Hrm... has anyone gotten any bottles of it that is actually the right volume?

Squeeze the bottles you're getting when the top is fully closed. A good 90% of the ones I have will let air in and out even though they're still sealed.

Evaporation and nicotine degradation due to oxygen exposure. Sure would answer all the questions about weak juice.

[googled]

I couldn't care less about under filled bottles, it's completely obvious espcially if like me you transfer into small bottles for dripping and those things happen all the time in food and drink manufacture.
What I would be much more concerned with is watering down with PG or VG since that would affect nicotine content which has far more important implications than just price per ml. By the way, I've never had an under filled bottle from Heavens Gifts or Eastmall.

[1inchgroup]

5 different vendors, all seem to be using the same product. All purchased within the past 2 weeks. The rebottled ones are all full, so I didn't include them.

Tried to get the pictures as clear as possible without revealing the vendors of the short bottles, but it's pretty obvious "something" is going on. Squeezed the worst offenders until the liquid reached the bottom of the threads on the neck.

I get my 30ml glass bottles early next week, it'll be interesting to see how much I actually got, versus how much I purchased. ....as the list of vendors becomes a short one...

[JeannieB360]

If they are selling by weight rather than by liquid measurement, that can easily explain the difference. 1 mg of water = 1 ml of water, but if a liquid is denser than water, 1 mg of it would be less than 1 ml of it. So far every e-liquid I've gotten seems to be denser than plain water.

[mrtomdabomb40]

V4L always tops their bottles up to the brim. love it! plus he sent me some extra e liquids. will check my liquids from eastmall and healthcabin...thats horrible that they would give us less...just horrible.