Esmoking myths

[Kate]

Again, I hope you're right.

What are the early symptoms of developing cancer?

[TropicalBob]

we know for certain that real cigarettes kill most smokers

I hate flat statements that are just plain incorrect. In the wildest of exaggerations, anti-smoking forces estimate 50% -- half -- of smokers die of smoking-related diseases. Half live their long, full lives. Many of the world's oldest people were life-time smokers, in fact. It's a genetic crap shoot I don't want to play any longer. So I use my Janty in lieu of my Kent.

Don't throw out incorrect statements as fact. I certainly know all the dangers of inhaling tobacco smoke, but certain death is NOT one of them for "most" smokers.

And that's probably the last good word you'll read from me on smoking cigarettes ...

[Kate]

For anyone who doesn't believe there are any health concerns with vaping here are some discussions. There are questions like this popping up all the time on the forum, these are just a few:

Electronic Cigarette Cartridges / E-Liquid Safety

Backache?

Inhaling Flavouring Chemicals

Are we getting flavored nicotine deeper into our lungs with e-smoking?

Vegetable glycerine (glycerol) - safety discussion

Johnson Creek Juice Turning Green!

A List of Common Symptoms when E-smoking

Heavy Breathing

Nicotine safety

Teething mix which contained diethylene glycol instead of PG kills 25 kids

What might be in our vapour? Have a guess ...

A BPA concern with e-smoking?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...-atomizer.html

Propylene glycol inhaling?

Safest commercial E liquid

[coppull]

Well put, i totally agree, new year quitter

[Kate]

This is reminding me of a song by The Fabulous Dirt Sisters:

Take off your rose tinted spectacles sweet Ann Marie
Take off your rose tinted spectacles and face reality

Life's no bowl of cherries before your desert
Life's no bowl of cherries you're gonna get hurt

La la la la la ...

[K-Sound Krew]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

Many of the world's oldest people were life-time smokers, in fact. It's a genetic crap shoot I don't want to play any longer. Don't throw out incorrect statements as fact. I certainly know all the dangers of inhaling tobacco smoke, but certain death is NOT one of them for "most" smokers.

Actually TB I saw a study a few yrs back which was burried that suggested that second hand tobacco smoke can actually help non smokers build up a tolerence against carcinogenic triggers.
Your right it has more to do with genetics.
Many of the centurians you see on TV are still smoking and drinking the hard stuff well into their late 90's

As far as e-liquid, we won't really know the effects till we have users who have been doing this for 10-30 yrs using formulas regulated by the FDA

[bwood12043]

TropicalBob, I agree that blanket statements should not be made, re: "we know for certain that real cigarettes kill most smokers"

I own a medical transcription company and three of our largest clients are oncology centers. I view tons and tons of initial consults on cancer patients, and in the "social history" part, only a little over half have ANY past history of smoking.

Nearly all of my and my husband's family have/do smoke. Out of over 20 off the top of my head, 2 have died from cancer.

Both myself, my sis and my brother smoke, as did my father, however the only the non-smoker in our family, my mother, has had cancer, melanoma from too much sun.

Do I believe smoking is bad for a person's health? Definately.
Do I believe that real cigarettes kill most smokers? Definately not.

[TropicalBob]

Excellent.

P.S. My daughter does medical transcription from her home. Excellent work.

[New Year quitter]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

I hate flat statements that are just plain incorrect. In the wildest of exaggerations, anti-smoking forces estimate 50% -- half -- of smokers die of smoking-related diseases. Half live their long, full lives. Many of the world's oldest people were life-time smokers, in fact. It's a genetic crap shoot I don't want to play any longer. So I use my Janty in lieu of my Kent.

Don't throw out incorrect statements as fact. I certainly know all the dangers of inhaling tobacco smoke, but certain death is NOT one of them for "most" smokers.

And that's probably the last good word you'll read from me on smoking cigarettes ...

I have yet to read your first good word on smoking tobacco.

[TropicalBob]

That post was it. Death is not guaranteed. It's one reason I object to warnings like "Smoking Causes Cancer." No it doesn't -- all the time. That's too broad a claim. The warning should read "Smoking Might Cause Some Cancers in Some Smokers", but you'll never get that accepted.

Worrying About Stuff Causes Cancer. And other bad stuff, too.