Esmoking myths

[Ladycats]

"Worrying about stuff causes cancer. And other bad stuff too."

LOL I do like the way you think !!!

[Myk]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

That post was it. Death is not guaranteed. It's one reason I object to warnings like "Smoking Causes Cancer." No it doesn't -- all the time. That's too broad a claim. The warning should read "Smoking Might Cause Some Cancers in Some Smokers", but you'll never get that accepted.

Worrying About Stuff Causes Cancer. And other bad stuff, too.

How about,
The Surgeon General warns: Cigarette smoking may cause cancer in about 50% of smokers. Are you feeling lucky?

[TropicalBob]

Actually, the lung cancer incidence among hardcore smokers is 15% or lower. The 50% figure so often tossed around is for all "smoking-related deaths." Either way, "Smoking Causes Cancer" is untrue as an absolute.

New research shows that even among long-term, heavy smokers, the risk of getting lung cancer can vary dramatically -- from less than 1 percent to a whopping 15 percent.

And ..

Consider: A 51-year-old woman who smoked a pack a day for 28 years and then quit has only a 0.8 percent chance of getting lung cancer in the next decade, the study found.

Compare her to a 68-year-old man who has smoked two packs a day for 50 years and refuses to stop smoking. If he keeps puffing away, his risk of getting lung cancer in the next decade is 15 percent.

The study appears in the March 19 issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.

[Kate]

This is a good piece from Dan's blog (Dan, Dan, the Ruyan man ) - Electronic Cigarette/Cigar Myths | Disposable Electronic Cigarette/Cigar Blog

FDA approval is a myth that hasn't been mentioned here already as far as I can remember.

The FDA does not approve liquid nicotine or the devices that deliver it. Any sellers claiming their products are FDA approved are telling fibs.

EDIT
I just want to add this link to a thread about what consumers in the UK should expect in regard to fair trading - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...promotion.html

There are probably similar laws in other countries.

Most of the myths on this thread wouldn't exist if traders followed the law from what I can see.

[Kate]

Here is a bit of a summary of some of the myths busted here:

A cartridge lasts for the equivalent of 20/40 cigarettes

You can use your ecig anywhere

Esmoking is safe

Esmoking is healthy

The World Health Organisation (WHO) endorses esmoking

Batteries last for a day before recharging

It tastes like smoking

There are a large number of manufacturers

Atomisers and batteries have a reasonable lifetime with moderate use

It is as satisfying for everyone as a cigarette

The atomizer creates the "mist" using some technobabble mechanism, rather than just boiling the eliquid

You get what you pay for

You exhale only water vapour

Not all eliquids contain chemicals

There are 4000 known carcinogens in a cigarette

There is much quality control

Your warranty will be void if you don't use the seller's cartridges/eliquid (this only applies to Ruyan afaik)

There is some complicated cleaning process going on after every 1,500 hits

There is a complex microprocessor in the unit

You actually are inhaling less nicotine then when you were smoking tobacco

Its safe since its just food flavouring

There is no smell

You will save lots of money

Its easy to clean

Esmoking is nicotine replacement therapy (NRT)

Vapour just vanishes into another dimension

Esmoking is easy

You are smoking car anti-freeze - confusion between Propylène Glycol and Ethylène Glycol

Esmoking is approved by any government or authority

And another new one ... electronic cigarettes were around before 2006.

[MikeMac]

Gee, I didn't know that e-cigs are FCC approved! For what? Just the same, It's so good to know we won't be inhaling radio signals! That's a load off my mind!

[halopunker]

Originally Posted by MikeMac

Gee, I didn't know that e-cigs are FCC approved! For what? Just the same, It's so good to know we won't be inhaling radio signals! That's a load off my mind!

Originally Posted by Tommy Boy

Hey, I'll tell you what. You can get a good look at a butcher's ass by sticking your head up there. But, wouldn't you rather to take his word for it?

Ahh Tommy Boy, great movie.

[Kate]

This claim is persistent, potentially dangerous, annoying and based on rubbish - Compared with cigarettes we are getting a half or a third of the nicotine per puff.

Theoretically we are getting twice as much or more nicotine than with cigarettes per puff. There is no scientific evidence of this yet but that's what the maths says.

Draws/puffs per ml

Another new myth is that there are 250 Chinese manufacturers There probably aren't more than ten.


Here are some of the myths that have already been mentioned and a response:

A cartridge lasts for the equivalent of 20/40 cigarettes.

Super Minis (RN4081, RN4088, DSE103, etc...): About 1-3 cigs worth (20-30 puffs)
Mini (DSE901, etc...): 5-6 cigs worth (50-75 puffs depending on how you puff)
Pen (DSE801, RN4072, etc...): 7-10 cigs worth (up to about 100 puffs)
eCigar: 10-12 cigs worth (up to about 120-130 puffs)
Pipe (DSE601, etc...) Atleast 14-15 cigs worth.

E-smoking is safe.

It might be safer than tobacco smoking, we don't know, there are no scientific studies or clinical trials to test the effects of esmoking.

We could take in massive doses of nicotine which is a toxin
We don't know the long term side effects inhaling of the ingredients in the liquid
We don't know how the cocktail of chemicals we inhale interacts
We don't know the implications of breathing the chemicals given off by the burning coil wick as it degrades
We don't know what type of plastics are used for storage or cartridges and if they leach chemicals into the eliquid
We don't know what chemicals are given off by cartridge fillers when they are heated or burned
We don't know if there is lead in the paint used on our devices

These are all areas that have yet to be researched by many suppliers and manufacturers. Ruyan has conducted several studies that appear promising, but these apply only to this company, not all of them.

So, basically we don't know if esmoking is safe. Lots of us think it is probably safer than smoking tobacco but that's opinion, not science.

When you see the advertising saying vaping is safe or safer, it's unfounded claims, there is no proof. Ask the seller what is the basis of the statement ... they usually try to fob you off with Ruyan specific research which doesn't apply to their products.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) endorses E-smoking.

"... manufacturers of electronic cigarettes continue to inaccurately cite WHO’s support of this category of products - claiming that WHO’s approval of Nicotine Replacement Therapy (NRT) principles equates to endorsement of the electronic cigarette as a safe and effective cessation aid. WHO is unaware of the existence of a comprehensive set of scientifically rigorous, peer-reviewed studies to substantiate claims for the electronic cigarette as an effective smoking cessation aid. In this respect, WHO does not equate a manufacturer’s undocumented claims of safety or toxicity to peer-review by a science based committee."

WHO - Marketers of electronic cigarettes should halt unproved therapy claims - *E-Cigtest, the ultimate electronic cigarettes review site and forum* Le site de la cigarette électronique

It tastes like a cigarette.

No e-liquid tastes exactly like a cigarette. There are many tobacco flavors to choose from that are similar, but none are exact. Many users report enjoying the taste of e-liquid much more than they did with cigarette smoke.

Atomizers and batteries have a reasonable lifetime with moderate use.

This technology is somewhat new and unreliable. Parts could last days or months. Monthly atomizer or battery replacement is a fairly common experience. It is suggested to always have a minimum of 1 spare atomizer and 1 spare battery in case of failure.

You get what you pay for.

Not always true. Some companies charge way too much for cheap devices and no warranties. You need to research before you buy.

You exhale only water vapour.

This is what the Ruyan research says:

"... the exhaled mist of the e-cigarette is composed of propylene glycol, and probably contains almost no nicotine; and no CO..."

http://healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport21-Oct-08.pdf

The E-liquid is regulated.

It's not regulated by any legal bodies, it is not approved by any legal bodies. Anyone can formulate, make and use anything in eliquid.

You actually are inhaling less nicotine then when you were smoking tobacco.

We have no testing that states this. The math says we can get a lot more nicotine. Many people have overdosed so it's certainly possible that we are raising our tolerance or making ourselves sick with too much nic.

There is no smell.

A faint smell can at times be detected while vaping. It usually smells like the flavor your using at the time. (i.e. if your vaping Chocolate it will smell like chocolate). This is usually only noticeable to those within the immediate area.

E-smoking is nicotine replacement therapy (NRT).

E-Cigs and quitting smoking

To be NRT it has to be medical grade liquid and devices which are tested and approved.

You are smoking car anti-freeze -

This is a confusion between Propylène Glycol and Ethylène Glycol.

[MAD 69]

Myth: esmoking causes mouth ulcers and gum disease

Fact: You can use e-fags anywhere you want, there is currently no legislation that bans the use (except in obvious situations)

[Silver]

Originally Posted by Kate

This claim is persistent, potentially dangerous, annoying and based on rubbish - Compared with cigarettes we are getting a half or a third of the nicotine per puff.

Theoretically we are getting twice as much or more nicotine than with cigarettes per puff. There is no scientific evidence of this yet but that's what the maths says.

Interestingly, Dr. Murray Laugesen, according to this recent article*, claims:

He said that, on a puff-per-puff basis, the strongest cartridge delivered about one- third the amount of nicotine delivered by a normal cigarette.

Apparently he also believes there are 250 Chinese companies manufacturing them:

Dr Laugesen said about 250 Chinese manufacturers were now making the product...

Cheers,
Silver

* With thanx to Coinmaster for pointing me in the direction of said article.