Esmoking myths

[Elle]

Originally Posted by Kate

Mwahahahaha .....

I'm no liberal, I'm a capricorn

woop woop!! me too i knew i liked you!

[Slender]

"Quality control"

ha-ha....
Couple of days before I have got 2 sets of Dura... USB charger does not work... 2 batteries are faulty from beginning! Similar happened with J kissboxes... Sad...

[Precocious49]

Originally Posted by deewal

Maybe i should not post this here but here goes

My Grandfather smoked from the age of 17 on The Somme.
He died at the age of 79 of Liver Disease. (He was an Alcoholic)
My Grandmother who lived and breathed the same smoke filled air
but did not smoke herself or drink died of Bowel Cancer at the Age of 84.
Their son (My father) Smoked from the age of 18 (Capstan Full Strength and Senior Service...Very strong)
He died of Liver Disease at the age of 85. (He was also an Alcoholic)
My Mother who lived and breathed the same smoke filled air and also worked in Ogdens Tobacco Factory in Liverpool (where i grew up)
where most workers smoked as they got Tobacco half price did Not Smoke all her life.
She died at the age of 86 of old age.
Here are four people of my family who have all either smoked directly or smoked second hand smoke for most of their lives.
Tobacco did not kill any of them and they lived long lives.
Statistics tell us how many people die from Cancer or other Smoke related illnesses every year.
Are there any statistics of how many Smokers die every year of non-related Smoke illness ???

My family history is very similar. My grandmother was never seen without an unfiltered Camel cigarette in her mouth, and an alcoholic drink within reach. She also drank 2 pots of coffee every day. She lived to be 70, and died of liver failure. There was an autopsy done, and they found that her liver was the only part of her body that was diseased - her lungs were clear - meaning no abnormalities found. -- Most all of my relatives of my parents generation were heavy smokers, and those that did not die of blunt force trauma in some way, lived into old age, and none of them died of lung cancer.

My oldest sister never smoked, and was never around anyone who did, but she died of a heart attack at the age of 61, because she carried around 400 to 500 lbs on her body for way too many years. Food was her poison of choice and she lived and died according to that addiction. -- Where's the rabid anti-obesity zealots and their flaming websites????

My dad smoked a pipe in his youth and early adulthood on the farm, but was too poor to afford it when he married mom, and never smoked again. He lived to be 85 years old, but at 81 he had a stroke, and for the next four years mom had to take care of him like a 225 lb 3 year old. He would phase in and out of full sentience, and when he was fully sentient, his personal pain and suffering that shown on his face of being trapped in such a torturous state was unbearable to see. He died a slow painfully tortuous death. If any military prison tortured their prisoners that way, we'd all be calling for their heads, but when nature does it, or we do it through medical science, we don't think anything about it, which is really, really stupid.

Is life about "Quantity" or "Quality"? If we do everything that the health zealots tell us to do, and our genetics support extended longevity, then we too can live to be old enough to have a very high chance of dying a slow tortuous death in old age. - Is that what we want? Think about it?

As smokers, we are well aware of all the stressors to our health that our smoking habit causes. We don't need anyone to tell us about it, but still the rabid anti-smoking zealots continue to spew data garbage and pseudo-science with outright falsehoods mixed in for good measure all over their websites and campaigns, and make all smokers the worst of social villians. And, we put up with the suffering of their open ridicule.

So, a lot of people "try" to rid themselves of the smoking habit, but the big question remains: What are you going to replace your smoking addiction with? If you say; "nothing", then you're deluding yourself. Human physiology and psychology doesn't work that way. You will, whether you admit it or not, replace tobacco with something else, probably something as stressful or more stressful to your health, and with less pleasant benefits.

So, the fact we are addicted to tobacco means we have addictive personalities and physiologies, and we will foster an addiction to one thing or another all of our lives. There's no use fighting it, and pumping ourselves full of anti-depressants to get over it.

Currently, the e-cig technology looks promising at this point as a less stressful replacement of our tobacco addiction. But, don't fool yourself. You'll never get off the e-cigs either, unless you replace e-cigs with some other addiction.

Whether or not e-cigs are factually less stressful to our health than tobacco, is yet to be determined. However, with what we know now, the best logical calculated risk would be to use e-cigs as a replacement for tobacco, because as of now, they "appear" to be much less stressful to our health than tobacco.

So, simply stay vigilant to the data on e-cigs as it streams in over the years, and if it looks like they are more stressful to our health than tobacco, you can always switch back, or replace the addiction with something else - hopefully less stresful to your health. -- And that's the simple crux of it.
---Cheers

[Precocious49]

Originally Posted by Elle

woop woop!! me too i knew i liked you!

I'm a moonchild, and there's that instant strong bond with Cappy's thing I have to be very careful about...

[xsmooth69x]

"blu cigs are the best"

[Applejackson]

Originally Posted by deewal

He's right you know. If i can't tell people that what i am exhaling is not harmful to them and does NOT contain Nicotine in any shape or form then it is not going to be legal in Public.
Try giving one of e-cigs.uk's cards to a Scottish hairy arsed Bobby who's just told you to "put that thing away sonny or your inside"

I know I'm new, but if all that's in the juice is flavoring, PG, and (maybe) nicotine, I would think that all you exhale (after absorbing most of the nicotine, if there) would be a 99% PG vapor (+ your usual CO2). That's what they use in fog machines which most bars, clubs, stadiums, concert halls, and playhouses use frequently in small enclosed areas legally, so I would say it's probably safe according to those standards. If someone (particularly the owner of an establishment) gives you hassle, maybe you could politely explain this.

Sorry if anyone said this, but I didn't read through the whole thread.

[daniel2828]

Originally Posted by Kate

It might be safer than tobacco smoking, we don't know, there are no scientific studies or clinical trials to test the effects of esmoking.

Haven't there? I've read otherwise. In any case, we seem to be between a rock and hard place here. We don't want FDA interference, but we want further studies to determine the safety of e-cigs. And who is going to do that other than the FDA (along with skewed results to suit their own purposes?).

Bottom line is, once these are regulated, be prepared to pay federal and state taxes, state taxes, assuming you can get the liquid at all without a doctor's prescription. And you know darned well your insurance isn't going to pay for it.

Better e-cigs is a matter of good ol' fashion competition, not government control. Forums like this will shed light on the best (and worst) products out there. Outside of that, be careful what you wish for.

[DaMulta]

Originally Posted by trog100

it uses parts from china.. we alter remachine and modify those parts to produce a screwdriver which is the end product.. but the chinese bless their little cotton socks play a big part.. without cheaply produced chinese parts for us to play with there would be no screwdriver..

we are thinking about having the entire thing made in china the best that could be said then would be designed in the UK made in china.. there is no escaping the chinese they are now the worlds factory simple as that.. sad but true..

we will see what the future brings.. far tooo many variables in the cooking pot at the moment to be certain of anything.. but from small scale to big scale would mean china..

and to give credit where its due.. they did bring us e smoking..

trog

OMFG TROG YOU MAKE THE SCREW DRIVER ROFL

LOL narked you out over on TPU LOL

Oh no, can it be?>"DaMulta is quiting Cigarette Tobacco" - Page 10 - techPowerUp! Forums


SMALL SMALL WORLD!!!! I can't believe it!!!!!

[Pekingduk]

Precocious49, very well stated. I am of the same opinion. In my work, as a medic, I have seen so many people with many horrible habits live long and healthy lives, and others who follow every rule of the health zealots who die young of some unexplained illness. I believe in the rule of moderation, and common sense. And nothing is a sure thing. And that the body is designed to heal it's self 90% of the time, unless we do something to screw it up.

[kinabaloo]

Originally Posted by DaMulta

OMFG TROG YOU MAKE THE SCREW DRIVER ROFL

LOL narked you out over on TPU LOL

Oh no, can it be?>"DaMulta is quiting Cigarette Tobacco" - Page 10 - techPowerUp! Forums


SMALL SMALL WORLD!!!! I can't believe it!!!!!

Had a wander over there in the strange land. Saw your key-chain vial holder - nice.

And this sig by Trog: Ignore the truth.. follow the herd.. you will make more friends that way and life will be easier..

Sad, but true