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    pew...pew...pew...

    ... you're dead Leaford, if'n ya still had your guns ya could've stopped me

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    hehehhehehe...funny kate...

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    Rampant liberalism claims another promising young life.

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    Mwahahahaha .....

    I'm no liberal, I'm a capricorn

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    Never mind, I misunderstood the comment. Sorry
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    901 battery good for 300 charge/discharge cycles hehehe the latest ones I got only last me a week or 2




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    Here's one that's been doing the rounds lately - dripping kills atomisers.

    True or not?

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    This is my 3000th post and I'd like to dedicate it to Jake who wrote me a rhyme and made me laugh.
    Last edited by Kate; 01-05-2009 at 02:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kate View Post
    It might be safer than tobacco smoking, we don't know, there are no scientific studies or clinical trials to test the effects of esmoking.

    We can take in massive doses of nicotine which is a toxin
    We don't know what prolonged inhaling of propylene glycol does
    ditto glycerine
    ditto all the other additives and flavourings in eliquid
    We don't know how the cocktail of chemicals we inhale interacts

    We don't know the implications of breathing the chemicals given off by the burning coil wick as it degrades
    We don't know what type of plastics are used for storage or cartridges and if they leach chemicals into the eliquid
    We don't know what chemicals are given off by cartridge fillers when they are heated or burned

    So, basically we don't know if esmoking is safe. Lots of us think it is probably safer than smoking tobacco but that's opinion, not science.

    When you see the advertising saying esmoking is safe or safer, it's unfounded claims, there is no proof. Ask the seller what is the basis of the statement ... they usually try to fob you off with Ruyan specific research which only applies to Ruyan eliquid.
    Personal experience will always trump science. Since I stopped smoking analogues my breathing has improved, my resting heart rate has slowed and my sense of taste and smell have doubled, all this after only four days - these are all classic symptoms you get when you go cold turkey, so according to my body it thinks I'm no longer a smoker and as my lungs clear up more and more my fitness levels will shoot up.
    I'd call that pretty conclusive evidence.

    It's blatantly obvious that e-cigs are safer than tobacco cigarettes. I for one am not waiting for science to tell me what my body is already telling me.

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    I hope you're right and we don't start developing lung disease or something. Nobody has inhaled the chemicals we do in the quantities we do for longer than a couple of years. Time will tell as it did with originally thought safe smoking.

    Personal experience is the only test we have, there is no scientific research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kate View Post
    I hope you're right and we don't start developing lung disease or something. Nobody has inhaled the chemicals we do in the quantities we do for longer than a couple of years. Time will tell as it did with originally thought safe smoking.

    Personal experience is the only test we have, there is no scientific research.
    Personal experience is a question of observing cause and effect. If someone starts smoking their lungs clog up and their fitness levels drastically decrease - this does not happen some of the time, this always happens - we can deduce from this that smoking is unhealthy, we don't need a guy in a lab to confirm this for us. King James I of England knew this just by observing early smokers.
    If a smoker switches from tobacco to e-cig and their lungs clear and their fitness levels increase then it's fairly obvious what the laws of cause and effect are saying.

    Now I take your point about the unknown long-term effects of PG, but generally speaking, things that are harmful to our health nearly always show early (first year) signs of being harmful and these harmful effects increase over time, this is true of nearly all chemical agents.
    It is possible but extremely rare for a chemical agent to show no early signs of doing us harm (in fact as I stated above, the early signs are that the use of PG is beneficial to health) and then to prove lethal once you step over a certain time constraint.
    And given that we know for certain that real cigarettes kill most smokers and damage the health of all, I'm sure most of us are happy with a tiny risk, and that's all it really is.
    I'd put money on alcohol being a more harmful chemical than PG, I'm teetotal myself.
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