OOH AHHH ... I could well be a criminal !!!

[Trumpybloke]

no go zach ... there is this wonderful ignorance is no excuse clause lol..ask dodomark who has apparently had 24 bulk bottles ( 1.2 litre ones??? ) intercepted , opened, tested and seized, It is not so much the legality of the exercise that is in question, more so the blind implementation of the unpublicised modifications to the Act and the devastating effect on those who chose to help us in our quest by setting up businesses etc ...

[HelloItsRandy]

it's okay trump. i'll rip the guts out of a few tickle me elmos and some nintendo wiis and fill them up with juice and ecig parts and send them out to you. time to have an e-cig speakeasy

[Trumpybloke]

LMAO randy -- I seriously needed that ... its been a very heavy thinky thinky day ... I dearly need a Vape-me_Elmo and a "Guitar Evo II "

[TropicalBob]

I think, in the long run, we are going to have to settle for compromises if our devices and practice are to remain legal.

We need to acknowledge that nicotine is a drug. We became addicted to it by smoking tobacco, many at a time when the health hazards of smoking were not yet clear. We now want an alterntive to inhaling carcinogenic smoke. We need to promote e-smoking as a healthier addiction-maintainance method. That is practiced with other drugs, like heroin.

We need to accept regulated liquid (and stop calling it "juice" we get from "dealers"). Unlabelled bottles of unknown chemicals designed for consumption and made in China will not win over regulators. We can and must expect to pay more for a product with assured safety.

We need to abandon the term "cigarette". These must be sold as personal vaporizers for delivery of medicinal substances (even prescribed drugs for inhalation therapy). These devices should move away from the appearance of cigarettes. Some makers are on the right track; most buyers are not. Vaporizers (nebulizers) are legal. We will use a small, personal vaporizer.

Accept whatever regulation is needed to childproof and petproof these. Accept whatever labelling is required. Accept inspection by Customs and fees that must be paid. Demand a stop to fraudulent labelling and value assertions on Chinese shipments.

I've followed, and practiced, e-smoking for almost a year now, and the misleading claims of MOST sellers and manufacturers are bringing the house down on them. It is their fault and they deserve to fail. But the good guys and girls must now pick up the banner and move vaporziing nicotine to a legal level.

If this is not done, yes, e-smoking in danger everywhere on earth.

[K-Sound Krew]

Worse comes to worst you can go over to paua new guinea order some e-liquid and sneak back in, with the goods in your back door.

How many bottles of liquid do you think you can sneak?

Personally, vertically I would say about 2 or 3; horizontally I'd say 15


But serious it sucks but I'm sure alot other countries are soon to follow
It's better for the government to put a stop to it now so it's not met with oposition. You my friend truly are an army of one.

I read an article about 15 yrs ago, a company engineered a tobacco plant to be nicotine free, they were just waiting for the FDA to approve it for sale. They figured if you remove the nicotine people will still smoke and eventually quit the habit once the addiction was gone, gee I wonder what happened to that, seemed like a good idea to me.

[Trumpybloke]

Sigh .... an army of one.....sighhhhhhhhhhhh

( will gladly accept donations of life size GI Joes from any Americans and Maggie Thatcher cut outs from the Brits to bulk out my lack of troops....... he he he )

[TropicalBob]

K-Sound, don't want to get too far off this important topic, but the magic tobacco plant with its DNA altered became the tobacco for Quest cigarettes. Big Tobacco put pressure on U.S. growers not to grow it, and none did. Then Big Tobacco pressured growers in South America, and they stopped growing it and destroyed their fields. Who stood up to Big Tobacco and grows it? The Amish. True story. By the way, no nic tobacco sucks ... all the tars, none of the kick.

[K-Sound Krew]

Well tb at the time I was the most serious to quit.
Went 2 months without smoking
Tried the patch and welbutrin for the first month, decided it wasn't working went a month cold turkey,
then I started doing a weekly club night,
(Oi! big mistake, shoulda stayed home)
started smoking only when drinking, then began drinking just to smoke.
I think the zero nic cigs would have saved me from myself back then.

Do you know what sucks.... herbal cigs taste like sage, dirt, and cat piss

Tb I don't think it's off point!
When these new advances in science appear the government or big tobacco bury it before it can get on the public radar.
This is exactly whats happening down under, and there will be no oposition because our voice is but a whisper.
If we aren't next it'll be the UK

[slianfoxob]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

K-Sound, don't want to get too far off this important topic, but the magic tobacco plant with its DNA altered became the tobacco for Quest cigarettes. Big Tobacco put pressure on U.S. growers not to grow it, and none did. Then Big Tobacco pressured growers in South America, and they stopped growing it and destroyed their fields. Who stood up to Big Tobacco and grows it? The Amish. True story. By the way, no nic tobacco sucks ... all the tars, none of the kick.

Well I'm right up near Amish country in PA...how do I go about convincing them that electronic cigarettes are not evil?? hehe


Foxy

[Tetsab]

Trumpy - do you go in much for aromatherapy? Essential oils are supplied in bottles which look identical to juice bottles. And are, I believe, freely distributed all around the world. Odd, really - some of them actually can do you quite a lot of harm if misused.

More seriously, I'm totally disgusted with the Australian government. Or is it just Victoria - not too clear on that? I used to work for the Agent-General's Office for Victoria up in London years ago, great people and much more fun than the po-faced title would suggest.

Has no-one yet learned that prohibition benefits very few - mainly those involved in organised crime, who are probably gearing up as we speak. Hate the way that politicians all over the world repeatedly stuff their heads up their own a*ses like this. That is, when they aren't too busy cramming their back pockets with cash from similar sources...

As it happens, I'm with TB on these matters but what has just happened to you without any warning whatsoever makes my blood boil. Great sympathy, Trumpy. If you discover you suddenly have a yearning to get involved in aromatherapy, drop me a PM. We have some fantastic essential oil suppliers around here...