Lock out your Kids !!!

[trog100]

None of these items will kill a child it it just spills on her little hand

the stuff of nightmares dude.. and luckily not true..

i have been one of the people pointing out the dangers of e liquid for quite some time.. but i wouldnt go quite that far..

having said that in the UK i cant buy any more than fifty aspirin tablets in case some idiot wants to die in a very painful way with misuse of them..

only let the (potential) idiots have the potentially dangerous products in small (less than lethal) doses..

which if it comes down to it means a complete ban on liquid period.. the idiots wont be allowed to have it.. which means none of us will..

this aint a game u can play from both sides.. the idiots will let their little girls near the stuff.. its the idiots we are being protected from.. idiots also have little girls..

playing god is hard to do.. when it was all down to "his will" life was a lot easier...

god gave us free will cos he was never held to account.. our political leaders think they might be held to account which why they are busy trying to take our god given free will away from us..

the point.. the same case being made for a safe will be the same case our leaders use to ban the stuff completely.. as i say its not a game that can be played from both sides..

trog

[nqhqhz]

I agree with Trumpybloke and TropicalBob - and the current situation is untenable. I don't think that just applies to liquid. I am talking about cartridges too. While most cartridges are probably reasonably safe, there is nothing to prevent a manufacturer from one that is a lot less so. Since there's no way to globally regulate, there is an opportunity for us as consumers outside China to blacklist dodgy suppliers and nag them into being reasonable. Those who have childsafed their containers and liquids are showing the way.


I also disagree with the comparison to other things - it is very easy for a child or pet to swallow a cartridge but not so easy for them to drink a bottle of whiskey, or unpack a whole blister of paracetamol. This is a whole different beast, both in format and potency. Incidentally, why is e-liquid not transdermally absorbed, when other forms of nicotine are?

Edit: While it's important to be responsible, I don't have any children and I am not an expert in product regulation. I am interested in the public image of this useful product.

[equazcion]

... it is very easy for a child or pet to chew through a cartridge but not so easy for them to drink a bottle of whiskey. Incidentally, why is e-liquid not transdermally absorbed, when other forms of nicotine are?

Well, e-liquid bottles are much smaller than a bottle of whiskey. They can fit in tiny hands, are light enough for children to pick up and throw around, the glass ones can break and the plastic ones can be chewed through, I'd think, about as easily as a cart.

I'm not sure what you mean about the transdermal part. e-liquid is apparently absorbed through the skin, according to the posts here. That's the problem. Unless I'm misunderstanding your point.

[nqhqhz]

Well, e-liquid bottles are much smaller than a bottle of whiskey. They can fit in tiny hands, are light enough for children to pick up and throw around, the glass ones can break and the plastic ones can be chewed through, I'd think, about as easily as a cart.

I'm not sure what you mean about the transdermal part. e-liquid is apparently absorbed through the skin, according to the posts here. That's the problem. Unless I'm misunderstanding your point.

I was actually replying to trog100 but forgot to reference him - unless there is something different about e-liquid (does it hold the nicotine in suspension or is it dissolved?) I know I certainly won't be letting it sit on my skin.

I admit not to having seen a glass bottle of e-liquid with my own eyes so I don't know how potentially dangerous the ampoule-style ones are. Some of the plastic ones appear to have a complex mechanism at the top which at least appears more professional.

[Frankie]

Incidentally, why is e-liquid not transdermally absorbed, when other forms of nicotine are?

E-liquid *is" transdermally absorbed and can be dangerous this way, as several members of this forums including at least one supplier can attest and have already attested in the "Nicotine Safety" section. You spill in on your skin, you get an almost immediate dose to your bloodstream. No way to stop it, no way to block the effects. If you get too much, you die. Simple as that. Doctors can try and beat individual symptoms like fibrilations, extreme BP, etc., but not much more.

Any individual claiming the opposite should just rub a mililitre or so on his palms. This should not kill the bugger if the individual is healthy, but will be felt quite distinctly.

[trog100]

dunno but as a test i have just poured about 1 ml of 36 mg wicked (french pipe) onto the back of my left hand and rubbed it in.. thick greasy slimy stuff covering a fair amount of skin area.. ..

i will leave it for ten minutes and see what happens..

trog

[Smokin]

Oh my God It's Trog the martyr!

For the cause Trog, for the cause!

[trog100]

well i didnt just spill it i deliberately rubbed it in and its still there.. and so am i nearly twenty minute later....

i am probably immune to the stuff who knows..

never believe word u read on forums..

just wiped it off.. the greasy factor probably does hold it in suspension.. dunno..

trog

[Kaston]

Sometimes I overfill the cart and it ends up on my chin after inhaling. It causes an instant reaction of redness, itching, burning, and is followed by a bout of pimples; I have never had pimples before vaping.

[TropicalBob]

Trog, we're alike in this way: I have so much nicotine in my blood that I warn folks every time I donate blood. Whoever gets it will have a sudden, strange craving to smoke a cigarette.

I wrote long ago that I soaked a Band-Aid in 24mg liquid and wore it on my abdomen for a few hours, to see if I could get anything from transdermal absorption. Nada. Not even a red rash.

I also made nasal spray from it. Burned the hell out of my nostrils.

The stuff we use seems to effect everyone quite individually. I've written that I don't get any "hit" from vaping. I don't. So I always have a snus going at the same time and my pipe smoking is increasing.