Fans of throat hits and 0 nic?

[No burn baby]

My observation is that its hard to find a 0 nic liquid which produces a really good throat hit. APART from,in my experience, Johnsons Creek 0 nic juice which seems to give a VERY notable throat hit, an impressive kick!

Anyone else find this? I am wondering what would set JC apart and produce such a throat hit. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

[davidnewns]

Can you send me a link to this particular liquid?

Thanks

David

[No burn baby]

Johnson Creek Original Smoke Juice - The Best E-Liquid in the World - Made Right Here in America

[RainbowznStarz]

Hmmm...I always thought the less nic the less hit. Which JC juices give the throat kick with 0nic?

[No burn baby]

All of them!

[frazzledglispa]

Are you using PG or non-PG. When I use non-PG 24mg Johnson's Creek with my Screwdriver I get very little throat hit. I primarily use Mint Chocolate, Chocolate Almond, and Vanilla Ice Cream

[No burn baby]

I'm using NPG. I don't have a PG to compare. I hope I haven't accidentally been sent high nic! I really don't think so. My friend who is here just had a drag, I've got JC NPG mint choc chip in my penstyle and he agreed that the throat hit was whopping.

[Papa Lazarou]

One thing I've noticed about Johnson Creek is that it has an acidic undertone (like a sherbet taste I think I've described it as in the past). Their formula does contain citric acid. People have speculated about the effect of PH on throat hit - but IIRC the conclusion was that alkaline rather than acidic smoke or vapour would likely produce a harsher throat feel. I would imagine extremes in either way though could produce harshness.. Perhaps the no nicotine mix has more acid or just more flavouring or something??

Personally I've only used the PG 24mg strength - I don't find it has a strong throat hit, its certainly not harsh compared to others, even liquids with a lower nic rating. Using it in my Evo seems to give it a stronger hit compared to the same liquid in my 901's etc, but still not harsh.

I have been thinking about moving to low or no nicotine stuff though. I decided to use my free zero nicotine cartridges over the past week (they've been gathering dust doing nothing since I got them). To my surprise, I got through most of the day on no nicotine before caving in, and this has got me thinking about trying to make the switch.. Or at least cut it down. If the JC Zero stuff is much better as you say, then I might give that a try.

[Kate]

I think you are right that pH affects harshness but higher isn''t necessarily better, there are optimum levels.

This is a comparison of some different pH vapours:



pH values and harshness of eliquid

[TropicalBob]

Kate, that document is a jewel in favor of e-smoking! Consider that it was done in 1993, before e-cigs were invented, and shows how effective nicotine delivery as an aerosol can be in satisfying smokers' cravings. Its bottom line is, as you noted, that the greater the pH of the smoke, the higher the blood nicotine levels achieved.

I went through it line by line and pulled some stuff we e-smokers need to know:

We (researchers) conclude that a more alkaline aerosol enhances absorption from the respiratory tract. The vapor we inhale in on the alkaline side.

Delivery of nicotine as an aerosol may have potential in nicotine replacement therapy for smoking cessation. You bet, and e-smokers are proof.

Since cigar smoke is alkaline whereas cigarette smoke is acidic, the pH of cigar smoke may contribute to its greater irritant effect on the airway. Same with our vapor; you want hit, go alkaline with the pH.

Course, the test involved some heavy nicotine. The base liquid, for instance, was 130mg per ml. Our "high" liquid is 16mg per ml. Our vapor yields 0.053mg per puff. The strong test liquid made 0.457mg per puff. I want some of that!

As the researchers note, The dose used was four to five times that of a standard cigarette.

Russell and Feyerabend proposed that it may be the puff-by-puff nicotine bolus effect of cigarette smoking that leads to such fierce dependence, not just to nicotine itself but to that particular form of nicotine, so that other forms of nicotine do not satisfy. Nicotine aerosol would provide a pattern of nicotine substitution that would be more like the use of cigarettes. In theory, it might be more successful in preventing withdrawal symptoms, allowing more patients to achieve initial abstinence from smoking. However these same features, such as the rapid onset of action and the potential for high blood levels, are factors that might increase the potential for physical or behavioral dependence on the aerosol nicotine itself. Yep, I'm now addicted to e-cig vapor.

Successful nicotine substitution might ultimately utilize multiple modalities that could be tailored to each patient. Benowitz proposed that more studies be done to evaluate the potential of rapid-delivery systems, such as nicotine aerosol, particularly in combination with slow-delivery systems like gum or transdermal patches. In summary, we have shown that inhalation of an aerosolized nicotine solution produced rapid peak plasma levels that increased significantly as the aerosol pH was increased.

We are using what they concluded could be a successful way to say goodbye to cigarettes. Nice study.