Gear up folks. The end is near.

[ACM]

It's closing in on 2012 for e-cigarettes in America. I would wager that, within a year, electronic cigarettes and accessories will be fully banned. No more replacement atomizers or batteries, no more cartridges, no more e-juice.

It's time to face the facts. We hope that e-smoking is safe. We assume that, since propylene glycol is generally considered safe for human consumption that it is equally safe for inhalation. We all so desperately hope to find a way to continue smoking without smoking; to enjoy the sensation with none of the risks. So we buy into the hype and promises of e-cigarette manufacturers and complain when the government doesn't share our optimism.

But nobody on this forum knows for certain that we haven't just traded one serious poison for another. And nobody know for sure that e-smoking won't end up killing us just as surely and horribly as smoking tobacco would. And it just might do so faster than the 20+ years it generally takes for analogs to do the job.

TESTING NEEDS TO BE DONE ON E-CIGS, CARTS, AND THE VAPOR THEY PRODUCE. NOW. PERIOD.

We don't need anymore petitions, or letters, or rants. We need cold, hard, legitimate scientific data to support the belief that e-smoking is harmless to the vaper and to those in his/her immediate vicinity.

Without government-recognized studies backing us up, we don't stand a chance of saving the e-cigarette industry. And we're all going to have to face the idea that we'll either be quitting nicotine altogether very, very soon, or we'll all be going back to smoking analogs.

[shorty70]

Cheers to you too...I will remain optomistic.

[Turco Chips]

lol - not until they pry it from my cold dead hands...!

You think customs inpects every package?

TC

[ThaLadyD]

The FDA has openly admitted they wouldn't be able to stop the import of electronic cigarettes, so I'm optimistic about it!



Are alot of you stocking up yet?

[mwa102464]

pfffffit no way we all will be vaping for a long long time

[TropicalBob]

Actually, I think ACM's post is dead-on.

There will be no cute end runs around the law once it is articulated and enforced. You most certainly will NOT order from China and expect delivery. The reasons that's a fact have been explained many times on this forum.

But it's not our responsibility to obtain approval for e-cigs and e-liquid. That's the responsibility of the manufacturers. And they have let us down -- royally. Only Ruyan made any attempt to scientifically determine what we're doing .. and Ruyan is near bankruptcy and facing a possible hostile buyout, according to published reports.

Other companies took their inflated profits and laughed all the way to the bank.

We do not have the studies needed by e-smoking for regulatory approval. So e-smoking faces a ban.

What we need is governmental intervention to enable fast-tracking of new technology with the potential to save lives of inveterate smokers. Those are the addicts who can't quit, won't quit, and fail on Big Pharma's NRT products. They deserve a chance to try e-smoking.

What should be done is to issue a series of timed demands for achievement, much as was done with the bailout of the auto industry. You (e-cig makers) will cease health claims immediately; you will childproof everything within three months; you will submit lab tests on all liquids within six months; you will provide clinical trial results for quitting smokers within one year. Until then, you remain conditionally approved for distribution and sale. Should your products prove injurious, you will be held fully accountable for all damages. If you do not agree, you may not sell in America.

[ACM]

Turco Chips, I am with you 100%. Hell, they might just have to bury me with my fingers eternally locked around my e-cig!

But seriously, what will we be vaping in a few months or so? When the supply of e-juice dries up, what's next? Raw VG from Walmart, with no nicotine or flavor? Bleah.

Vaping is heading for the same destiny as moonshine during prohibition. The government, in its infinite wisdom, is creating the climate for underground, illegal manufacture and distribution of e-juice of questionable quality. Unscrupulous people will begin mixing in all kinds of weird chemicals to lower their production costs and boost their profit margin. It'll be like adding formaldehyde to beer in the Old West.

It's funny, but by banning e-smoking in the name of public health, the stage is being set for the introduction of far greater health risks.

[donnellyk]

So I should be collecting EVERYthing? Suggestions? Help a happy vaper out here...

[Darmeen]

How can they ban a battery?

They certainly aren't going to ban VG and PG liquid...it is used in too many things...and readily available in stores.

Flavorings can be easily obtained...and they aren't looking to ban liquid nicotine either, the big pharma companies wouldn 't stand for that.

It may become a tad more difficult to buy a complete kit, but the pieces and parts will be there.

Much like when the government came down on Napster for the P2P file sharing, Napster had to go legit, but the idea of file sharing continued...

Where there is a will....

[ACM]

What should be done is to issue a series of timed demands for achievement, much as was done with the bailout of the auto industry. You (e-cig makers) will cease health claims immediately; you will childproof everything within three months; you will submit lab tests on all liquids within six months; you will provide clinical trial results for quitting smokers within one year. Until then, you remain conditionally approved for distribution and sale. Should your products prove injurious, you will be held fully accountable for all damages. If you do not agree, you may not sell in America.

Now THIS is the right way to handle the current crisis. It's a fair, logical system for conditionally continuing to do business in America. Of course, the part about manufacturers agreeing to be "held fully accountable for all damages" would never fly, the rest of what you say is totally reasonable and doable.

Let's all start emailing these ideas to the e-cig and e-juice companies and motivate them to get going on self-regulation!