PEG a new ingredient, instead of PG and VG

[parapo]

some liquid makers changed from PG and VG to PEG.

PEG = Polyethylene glycol

i found this in a german forum and reposted it. they have a 11 page long discussion...which of the 3 is healthier... even some MS-data sheets....but sadly no ingredient is.

we know PG....
VG creates acrolein when heated to 280C,
and the new PEG isn't much healthier either.....something with the cells..

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[RjG]

I read that, the translated version anyway.

I didn't see the name of any liquid maker that switched to PEG.
Where does it say that?

That would be a bit crazy to switch to something that could cause kidney damage. Very curious...

[parapo]

Originally Posted by RjG

I read that, the translated version anyway.

I didn't see the name of any liquid maker that switched to PEG.
Where does it say that?

That would be a bit crazy to switch to something that could cause kidney damage. Very curious...

Smuker's Shop look in the faq page.

Platinum 3G carts:

Appel: Polyethylene Glycol PEG 400, Pure Water, Vanilla Extract, Orient Tobacco Absolute, Tobacco Essential Oil, Linal0ol, 2,5-Dimethylpyrazine, Spearmint Oil, Bulgarian Rose Otto Oil, Vanillin, Nicotin*, Beta-Damascenone

Menthol: Polyethylene Glycol PEG 400, Pure Water, Orient Tobacco Absolute, Ethanol, Tobacco Absolute Burley, Alcohol, Spearmint Oil, Menthol, L-Nicotine*, Beta-Ionone, Ethyl Acetate, BGT, Ethyl Butyrate, Beta-Damascenone

Camel: Polyethylene Glycol PEG 400, Pure Water, Orient Tobacco Absolute, Linal0ol, Tobacco Absolute Burley, Glycerin, Vanilla Extract, 2,5-Dimethylpyrazine, Ethanol, Menthol, L-Nicotine*, BGT

Tobacco: Polyethylene Glycol PEG 400, Pure Water, Glycerin, Orient Tobacco Absolute, Tobacco Absolute, Vanilla Extract, Alcohol, Vanillin, L-Nicotine*, Beta-Damascenone, Beta-Ionone, 2,5-Dimethylpyranzine, 2-Acetylpyranzine, Peach Aldehyde, Benzyl Alcohol

[parapo]

Sedansa is also suspicious. they claim they have swapped PG with NON-PG but they are not telling if NON-PG is VG or PEG.

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[RjG]

Nasty.

This exactly why it annoys the HELL out of me that everybody buys juice from the same 2 or 3 or 4 factories and sticks their own name on it. I want to KNOW what I'm buying.
Exactly for this reason. Royalsmokers publishes an ingredient list too, and it's PG based. I want that. E-CIG juice kills whatever you put it in. I don't want that. PEG wrecks your kidneys and does something weird to your cells. I'll pass on that too.

You shouldn't have to GUESS if Rookie Yook, oRangiYan, Rippie Juice, etc etc etc is Royal Smokers RY4. And take your chances. With your equipment, or your life.

No store buys cases of Coca Cola and puts "Yippee Cola" on them. Because when you want to buy a Coke, you don't want to play "guess the contents". Stores don't do that. It's ridiculous.

And guess what, it is *OUR* fault for buying it, sight unseen, mystery contents, go ahead and let me stick that in my lungs. Whoops, there goes a kidney. OMG.

For a chemical that you are *ingesting* it is beyond reason for resellers to "relabel" this stuff as their own, and not provide documentation as to what it is. No other industry does this. And if nic-juice was an official food item, or pharma item, it would even be ILLEGAL every country I know of.

Here you go - challenge to resellers. TELL US WHAT YOU ARE SELLING US.

Repeat sales come from service, quality, and prices.... that's the magic formula.

Not by having the "coolest" name on your "top secret" juice. That's just wrong.

That's my opinion.... anybody agree?

[turbojunk]

Originally Posted by RjG

Nasty.

Here you go - challenge to resellers. TELL US WHAT YOU ARE SELLING US.

Repeat sales come from service, quality, and prices.... that's the magic formula.

Not by having the "coolest" name on your "top secret" juice. That's just wrong.

That's my opinion.... anybody agree?

Excellent post RjG. More than happy to support this challenge.

Suppliers, we NEED more clarity.

Kev

[pn0yb0i]

I totally agree.

I want to know whats in it - makes me more confident as a customer.

[xpdx]

We really need to know exactly what is in this stuff we inhale. Over at righttovape.com and my site pdxlabs.com | Discourse on nicotine, e-smoking, electronic cigarettes and harm reduction we are working on a system for testing e-liquid so that consumers know exactly what is in this stuff. I'll be posting updates on our progress on both websites. If you would like to help out or have some knowledge that could be helpful please message me.

[parapo]

Originally Posted by RjG

Nasty.

That's my opinion.... anybody agree?

TOTALLY !!!

[Pleased2BHere]

I'll go one better. We need for the producers to start the approval processes with the FDA and other national agencies. They are the ones making money on this and should be the ones to foot the bill for health agencies approvals. Then listing the contents would either be obligatory or at least a government agency would ride shotgun on what's put into it!!!
Don't forget these are the same folks who brought us melamine in the dog food and lead paint on kid's toys!!!