Not an aid to quitting smoking? Seriously? - Page 3 - E-Cigarette Forum

its a no brainer · 02-09-2009, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New Year quitter

How can anyone say that ecigs are not an aid to quit smoking when so many on this forum, like me, have found it so incredibly easy not to smoke now that we have ecigs.
I have tried nicotine gum, patches with no joy, I just couldn't go more than two days without a cigarette, then I try ecigs and giving up analogues was a cinch.

Are these people for real. Ecigs are superior to any other cure for smoking.
(except maybe the nicotine inhalator, never tried that to be fair).

MY point exactly......its not like you use the e-cig to walk your dog or park your car....there is a reason people are using the e-cigs otherwise what would be the point of switching over from a traditional cigartette? Personally I dont want to die of lung cancer and i tried quiting in the past with the patch and gum and have failed over and over. the e-cig is the first thing that worked for me and has continued to work for me for the last 12 months. its hard to believe that i could have been one of the 5.4 million people who died last year from smoking but i wasnt....i thank god everyday for the ecig and i hope one day every smoker who cant kick the deadly habit will have an e-cig in their hands to direct them to the path of a healthier lifestyle...

Kate · 02-09-2009, 05:02 PM

My understanding is that for anyone with vested interests to make quitting claims there must be scientific, peer reviewed research carried out by independent committee on effectiveness.

Heed · 02-09-2009, 05:13 PM

I wonder where testimonials fall within the marketing rules:

If a retailer made no direct claims about using the devices to quit, but rather, posted testimonials from customers detailing their experiences with the devices including statements about reduction or quitting, then I wonder if that would also be considered as making unsupported claims.

It is simply reporting on the feedback from the customer base instead of making direct claims.

Cage · 02-09-2009, 05:21 PM

Whenever this issue is brought up, I always get a visual image of that guy who quit paying his taxes... in jail. Don't ask me who... this was 20+ years back.
Now, he may have been 100% right, I don't know. He may have had a perfect legal argument, I don't know. He may eventually win, I don't know that either.
What I do know is... he was in jail screaming, "You can't do this to me!"

I'm not sure when or why or how, or even if they will ban them... but I'm sure they can.

Kate · 02-09-2009, 05:23 PM

This is from UK marketing laws:

"Marketers should hold signed and dated proof, including a contact address, for any testimonial they use. Unless they are genuine opinions taken from a published source, testimonials should be used only with the written permission of those giving them.

"Testimonials alone do not constitute substantiation and the opinions expressed in them must be supported, where necessary, with independent evidence of their accuracy. Any claims based on a testimonial must conform with the Code"
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...promotion.html

trog100 · 02-09-2009, 05:30 PM

we have the government fanatics then we have the dont dare upset the government fanatics...

the second lot bother me more than the first lot..

we are playing with words...

it is claimed by many that these devices have helped them stop smoking..

it is claimed by many that these devices are an easy way to stop smoking...

both statements perfectly true and very provable..

its all in the wording.. words can mean whatever you want them to.. ask any politician...

trog

sherid · 02-09-2009, 05:31 PM

Isn't the quit rate using standard NRT something like 6% after a year? If that is so, and they are approved, the standards for becoming an approved NRT are extremely low. E cigarettes should not have much trouble reaching and beating that standard. I believe that if the makers of Nicoderm and other NRT's did not intend for its users to become long term users and Nicoderm addicts the products would still require a prescription from a doctor. Again, the standard for approval appears to be extremely low.

Kate · 02-09-2009, 05:32 PM

It makes a difference who is using the words too Trog. If you stand to make financial gain then you are held to higher standards of proof.

xpdx · 02-09-2009, 05:37 PM

I worry too about the government getting involved with this whole e-cigarette phenomenon. The puritans will ban anything that resembles drug use. For some reason all recreational drug use is considered immoral. I've never understood this and I never will. It's as if they think pleasure should be banned.

Whatever. They can outlaw sales of e-cigs and liquid but in order to stop vaping they would have to stop the sale of tobacco (or anything else containing nicotine), vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, (and probably other chemicals) and anything that produces heat. Oh, and batteries and/or electricity.

They can't stop it. In the USA they have already lost the battle against pot, they will lose this one too.

LaceyUnderall · 02-09-2009, 05:47 PM

xpdx - excellent points... and I will tell you the MOMENT they begin a war on propylene glycol, the women of the US WILL revolt as many NEED/are addicted to their makeup.

02-09-2009, 05:13 PM	#23
Heed Senior Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dasein Posts: 182	I wonder where testimonials fall within the marketing rules: If a retailer made no direct claims about using the devices to quit, but rather, posted testimonials from customers detailing their experiences with the devices including statements about reduction or quitting, then I wonder if that would also be considered as making unsupported claims. It is simply reporting on the feedback from the customer base instead of making direct claims. __________________ I vape, therefore I am ...a non-smoker.

02-09-2009, 05:31 PM	#27
sherid Ultra Member ECF Veteran Join Date: May 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio USA Posts: 1,510	Isn't the quit rate using standard NRT something like 6% after a year? If that is so, and they are approved, the standards for becoming an approved NRT are extremely low. E cigarettes should not have much trouble reaching and beating that standard. I believe that if the makers of Nicoderm and other NRT's did not intend for its users to become long term users and Nicoderm addicts the products would still require a prescription from a doctor. Again, the standard for approval appears to be extremely low. __________________ I don't want any of your statistics; I took your whole batch and lit my pipe with it. Mark Twain

02-09-2009, 05:37 PM	#29
xpdx Full Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pacific NW USA Posts: 36	Ban of e-cigs I worry too about the government getting involved with this whole e-cigarette phenomenon. The puritans will ban anything that resembles drug use. For some reason all recreational drug use is considered immoral. I've never understood this and I never will. It's as if they think pleasure should be banned. Whatever. They can outlaw sales of e-cigs and liquid but in order to stop vaping they would have to stop the sale of tobacco (or anything else containing nicotine), vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, (and probably other chemicals) and anything that produces heat. Oh, and batteries and/or electricity. They can't stop it. In the USA they have already lost the battle against pot, they will lose this one too. __________________ http://www.pdxlabs.com Electronic cigarettes, nicotine, addicts' rights and harm reduction.

02-09-2009, 05:47 PM	#30
LaceyUnderall USA Supplier Forum Sponsor ECF Veteran Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: US and Canada Posts: 2,711	xpdx - excellent points... and I will tell you the MOMENT they begin a war on propylene glycol, the women of the US WILL revolt as many NEED/are addicted to their makeup. __________________ INSTEAD Electronic Cigarettes and Blog \| I Support the Electronic Cigarette Association \| Right To Vape - A Consumer Organization Defending Your Right To Use a Personal Vaporizer

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02-09-2009, 05:02 PM	#22
Kate Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 7,336	My understanding is that for anyone with vested interests to make quitting claims there must be scientific, peer reviewed research carried out by independent committee on effectiveness.

02-09-2009, 05:21 PM	#24
Cage Super Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Arizona, USA Posts: 453	Whenever this issue is brought up, I always get a visual image of that guy who quit paying his taxes... in jail. Don't ask me who... this was 20+ years back. Now, he may have been 100% right, I don't know. He may have had a perfect legal argument, I don't know. He may eventually win, I don't know that either. What I do know is... he was in jail screaming, "You can't do this to me!" I'm not sure when or why or how, or even if they will ban them... but I'm sure they can.

02-09-2009, 05:23 PM	#25
Kate Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 7,336	This is from UK marketing laws: "Marketers should hold signed and dated proof, including a contact address, for any testimonial they use. Unless they are genuine opinions taken from a published source, testimonials should be used only with the written permission of those giving them. "Testimonials alone do not constitute substantiation and the opinions expressed in them must be supported, where necessary, with independent evidence of their accuracy. Any claims based on a testimonial must conform with the Code" http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...promotion.html

02-09-2009, 05:30 PM	#26
trog100 Banned ECF Veteran Join Date: May 2008 Location: UK Posts: 3,286	we have the government fanatics then we have the dont dare upset the government fanatics... the second lot bother me more than the first lot.. we are playing with words... it is claimed by many that these devices have helped them stop smoking.. it is claimed by many that these devices are an easy way to stop smoking... both statements perfectly true and very provable.. its all in the wording.. words can mean whatever you want them to.. ask any politician... trog

02-09-2009, 05:32 PM	#28
Kate Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 7,336	It makes a difference who is using the words too Trog. If you stand to make financial gain then you are held to higher standards of proof.