Need help with new ways to get what I'm missing!

[Bogalu]

You're missing those MAOIs! I've got some MAOI/nic juice in the works, the only problem is price. A reasonable dose of a natural MAOI costs about $1/ml to add to the mix. So that would bring the price up around $20/10ml. While that's fine for researchers the price will have to come down a bit before it will probably be accepted in the market.

Until then e-cigs are the best NRT on the market today.


-Jake

I would be the FIRST customer to run to make an order for affordable nic juice that had those MAOI's in it. No doubt!

[dgriego]

I understand where you are coming from. I tried snuff a couple weeks ago and that does it for me.
As far as risks go it, you can smoke the hookah, use snus or snuff, all have some risk as they are all tobacco products.
I ordered some Swedish purified snus but it has not come in yet. I plan on trying it our for those times when I need what is missing from my e-cig. For me it is times of stress mostly at work.

[Bogalu]

I understand where you are coming from. I tried snuff a couple weeks ago and that does it for me.
As far as risks go it, you can smoke the hookah, use snus or snuff, all have some risk as they are all tobacco products.
I ordered some Swedish purified snus but it has not come in yet. I plan on trying it our for those times when I need what is missing from my e-cig. For me it is times of stress mostly at work.

Yeah i understand how that feels. So what I need is a cheap snus vendor and a recommendation of what brand to get and what nic content is good. I'm vaping 16mg VG juice now so a comparable snus mg content would be what?

[imawitch]

Yep, you can vape snus. TropicalBob did a video of it.

YouTube - Spend Less on your Tobacco Habit II

Sounds like you're needing the alkaloids from analogs. Snus has them. I don't know if you want to read the thread Nicotine, are we getting it (or something like that) because it's fairly lenghty but it explains that cigarettes have other things that are addictive besides just nicotine such as MAOI's. Snus should take care of all of this for you without having to go back to analogs.

wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! clever, very clever, jmho

[DaBrat]

You're missing those MAOIs! I've got some MAOI/nic juice in the works, the only problem is price. A reasonable dose of a natural MAOI costs about $1/ml to add to the mix. So that would bring the price up around $20/10ml. While that's fine for researchers the price will have to come down a bit before it will probably be accepted in the market.

Until then e-cigs are the best NRT on the market today.


-Jake

Why would you want to do that? This is what big tobacco did to get us all in this mess in the first place. As well as designing nicotine that crossed the brain/blood barrier intact which is all the way the heck and back away from natural!

When this actually starts happening, I will have to quit all together, not looking for another unbreakable habit.

[trinity73]

have you considered traditional antidepressants? maybe you should talk to your doctor.

[keyzygirl]

You can soak a snus in vg and use an 801.

[Kimber]

I've read it already, thats how I know I'm missing something, other than the fact I have personality changes. I cant see the video because of my works internet filter, so can someone tell me who actually vapes snus if they can still taste the great flavors they get from the ejuice?

I don't vape snus but the video shows that you soak the snus in vg and then put the little bag of snus in your cartridge. TropicalBob suggested the brand Discreet snus because they have strawberry and peach flavors as well as mint and some others. Just google Discreet snus and you should find their list of flavors. You might could mix your favorite flavor with the tobacco flavored snus and give it a tobaccoey flavor to your favorite juice.

[Madame Psychosis]

You're missing those MAOIs! I've got some MAOI/nic juice in the works, the only problem is price. A reasonable dose of a natural MAOI costs about $1/ml to add to the mix. So that would bring the price up around $20/10ml. While that's fine for researchers the price will have to come down a bit before it will probably be accepted in the market.

Jake -- I read your posts on the research you've been planning and am following it with interest.

One note of possible interest: I'm on a standard pharmaceutical MAOI (started last year while still smoking), and I'm one of those people who still isn't getting enough from PV nicotine ... even though I'm taking something that is inhibiting a significantly larger proportion of MAOA + MAOB than tobacco would. My symptoms of tobacco cessation are similar to those of others who have had troubles switching to vaped NRT. I may be an outlier, but there are other non-MAOI, non-nicotine alkaloids in tobacco that must be contributing to the total effect for some of us.

One big problem with trying to add back the extra missing parts piecemeal is that very complexity. The other, equally big problem is the risk involved with adding any additional compounds to the nicotine. (I know, the herbs will all be GRAS by the FDA and acceptable for over-the-counter sale. I do worry that the FDA will cite "recreational mixing of multiple psychoactive compounds with nicotine" in PVs as a reason to construct especially draconian regulations. The FDA may just have the cojones to point out that MAOA inhibition reinforces behavioral nicotine dependency, so they'll say you're essentially creating a whole new drug.)

Those are just my reservations. Tobacco is a "known quantity" to us all, and that's the major reason why I would stick with safer alternative tobacco-based products to complete the puzzle, and why I recommend it to others. So far (a few days now) snus seems to be helping with the missing pieces -- the relaxation component. (Now if I could only get over the taste.)

Bogalu -- I highly recommend you try snus (or dissolvables, or snuff) to get your alkaloids, as others have suggested. The difference really is noticeable.

[DaBrat]

The problem with adding MAOIs to juice is tha it makes it that much more addictive. Further these 'natural' MAOIs are coming from where an rated in purity how? These are drugs that cn be dangerous in inaccurate dosages and who the hell knows what vaping them will do?

Want to have the FDA shut this industry down? Just start advertising this! I am uncomfortable with this even being posted as I am sure there are eyes out trying to see what vapers are up to!