What the hell? Johnsons Creek Juice Green!

[mu.zeitgeist]

I wonder if the green color is non-problematic in actual usage. Is the maker actually on the boards? I really don't care if the juice is pink, green, purple, blue or anything. If that's an issue I'd go ahead and take that bad batch for free or close to it. It may be worth it to write a review on long term effects of green liquid. It isn't unheard of that food additives to have color changing effects due to temp. and light. There must be something unique to JC that others don't add in the liquid that is reacting.

My experience is shallow, I've so far ordered sauce from Janty (so far best) a bloke from scottland (strong!) and stock DSE 901 carts from China (err). No color change so far. Looking forward to a couple batches from Nathan @ vapor-ecigg.

Everything I have so far has stayed in it's normal coloration for 2 weeks. I keep my apple in the fridge, the chocolate, French MLB, Cappucino, Polar mint in room temp (25C.)

Wanted to order some JC for some time but their check out system never worked for me and I've always wanted to try the VG. But seriously I will test a bad batch out if someone wants. It'll definitely go towards R&D for DIY atomizer design as well and can give great logged feedback on what happens to vaped liquid. Don't mind taking picture logs either.

[Chris From Cali]

JC does not ship out to the United Kingdom that's why you can't check out.

Also the supplier is on this forum, he's pretty cool actually. I updated my first post saying that he emailed me back and said that the green color will not cause any issues and that it's fine to smoke. He also stated that he would replace the whole batch for free, but it was only the sampler pack and I smoked most of it alread. (I could have gotten some more peach cobler for free but hey, I'm an honest guy)

[LaceyUnderall]

Holy mackerel!

Looks like a Xmas special

Lu

No doubt! Thanks for the pic Chris. It is nice to see it for real.

[NathanS]

There is droppers in all my liquid and it has never turned green. I even keep it in my packet, it got to get hot in there.

[Terraphon]

DO NOT VAPE THAT.

I know you said you wouldn't but...make sure you don't.

Also...Oxidation isn't anything to be worried about? WHAT?! I work in an industry where oxidizers are used REGULARLY and let me tell you something; Oxidation = change. When something is oxidized it is no longer what it used to be. The fact that JC would tell someone to not worry about putting something in their body that they have NO IDEA what it even is...That's frightening...Seriously frightening.

I'm officially DONE with Johnson Creek. I can't see myself ever ordering another product from a company that is so reckless.

[mu.zeitgeist]

DO NOT VAPE THAT.

I know you said you wouldn't but...make sure you don't.

Also...Oxidation isn't anything to be worried about? WHAT?! I work in an industry where oxidizers are used REGULARLY and let me tell you something; Oxidation = change. When something is oxidized it is no longer what it used to be. The fact that JC would tell someone to not worry about putting something in their body that they have NO IDEA what it even is...That's frightening...Seriously frightening.

I'm officially DONE with Johnson Creek. I can't see myself ever ordering another product from a company that is so reckless.

Unfortunately we live in a world of oxygen filled atmosphere, and so we have antioxidants in almost every commercial food product. Many of these ANTI OXIDANTS are unsafe but added anyway.

Example you could cut an apple in half, leave it for 5 minutes and it oxidizes and turns color. It still is an apple, tastes like an apple, looks like an apple, won't kill you, just like an apple. The reason why the jars of apple sauce at safeway don't change color right after opening the jar is due to antioxidizing agents ADDED to it.

Oxidizers can be many things. O2 (oxygen gas), H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide), O3 (ozone) are few amongst hundreds of different kinds of oxidizers. Some safe, some unsafe.

Looking at green juice won't kill ya. Chances are so little of whatever oxidized in the juice will not do anything. Not to say it isn't a faulty product (JC should have warning labels that state no preservatives are added to retain color perhaps), I've read more than a fair share of JC stories... But to say a product is dangerous without knowledge is something else. Again, if you don't want it, I will find good use for it

[Terraphon]

Unfortunately we live in a world of oxygen filled atmosphere

There's a difference between living in an oxygen atmosphere and exposing something to OXIDATION.

Oxidizers are materials which cause a release of electrons from a molecule and will dramatically speed up the OXIDATION process (loss of electrons) of whatever they come in contact with. When something oxidizes, it changes (at the molecular level), due to the release of those electrons.

and so we have antioxidants in almost every commercial food product. Many of these ANTI OXIDANTS are unsafe but added anyway.

Oh, you're going to be fun.

Anti-oxidants are substances which slow down the process of oxidation and oxidative damage in living tissue, among other things. Anti-oxidants CAN slow the rate of food spoilage but would you really want to eat a rotten apple? srsly?

Example you could cut an apple in half, leave it for 5 minutes and it oxidizes and turns color. It still is an apple, tastes like an apple, looks like an apple, won't kill you, just like an apple. The reason why the jars of apple sauce at safeway don't change color right after opening the jar is due to antioxidizing agents ADDED to it.

The apple changes color due to oxidation, yes. Oxidation in tissue is also referred to as "ROTTING". It is obvious, though, that Johnson Creek isn't using effective anti-oxidants in their juice if they claim that it is oxidizing.

I find this odd since they also claim that there is citric acid in their liquid (which is a very well known anti-oxidant).

The last 2 statements also render your point about anti-oxidants; MOOT.

Oxidizers can be many things. O2 (oxygen gas), H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide), O3 (ozone) are few amongst hundreds of different kinds of oxidizers. Some safe, some unsafe.

Yeah, yeah...and potassium peroxymonosulfate, calcium hypochlorite, lithium hypochlorite, various isocyanurates, acids (like H2SO4 and HCl), soduim chlorite, sodium chlorate, sodium peroxide, silver nitrate, etc...most of which I work with on a daily basis.

Can we agree that we all know what an oxidizer is, now?

Looking at green juice won't kill ya. Chances are so little of whatever oxidized in the juice will not do anything. Not to say it isn't a faulty product (JC should have warning labels that state no preservatives are added to retain color perhaps), I've read more than a fair share of JC stories... But to say a product is dangerous without knowledge is something else. Again, if you don't want it, I will find good use for it

Nobody said he shouldn't look at it. I said he shouldn't VAPE it.

Let's assume that the juice IS oxidized. Do YOU know what happens to nicotine when it is oxidized? Do YOU know what happens to tobacco absolute when it is oxidized? Do YOU know what happens to the essential oil of the tobacco plant when it's oxidized? How about 2,5 Dimethylpyrazine? 2,3,5 Trimethylpyrazine? 2,3,5,6 Tetramethylpyrazine?

If you don't know the EXACT effects of oxidation on every single one of those chemicals, putting them in to your blood-stream after someone has told you that an oxidative reaction has taken place is dangerously foolish. Sure, there could be no effect at all...We could also find out that an oxidative reaction between those chemicals has created a mutagen...or a class 1 carcinogen...or a deadly toxin...or maybe just something that will make you sh.t iced tea for a few days.

Furthermore, telling someone that they shouldn't be concerned after an oxidative reaction has taken place is PATENTLY irresponsible and if physical damage occured as a result of that advice being followed, it is certainly a matter of civil (potentially criminal) liability.

It's called "erring on the side of caution", also known as "don't let your balls write checks your ass can't cash".

And that, as they say, is that.

/debate

[parapo]

to both of you chemists... Terraphon and mu.zeitgeist.
we have a thread in the diy section on what to add to get a better throat hit.
maybe you can help us out there.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...-new-post.html

[Terraphon]

Tabasco sauce?

[mixxy]

I thought Johnson Creek was having a lab check out the "green" liquid, and was going to post the results? Did I miss the results on the test, or was it never posted? I had purchased 2 sample packages, plus 2 larger sizes the beginning of January. They were still in the clear glass bottles then, and not a single one of our samples turned green, but the mint in the larger size did. I used it anyway and couldn't tell any difference. But... was/am curious about the lab results.........