Petition

[ApOsTle51]

nothing like ruffling a few feathers...be interested to see how this all pans out

[e-pipeman]

It all pans out like this:

I'm sorry to inform you that your petition has been rejected.

Your petition was classed as being in the following categories:

* Issues for which an e-petition is not the appropriate
channel

Further information: We suggest you check with the Department
of Health for further clarification: DH home : Department of Health


Hmmm....something's afoot.......

[Kate]

This is the recommendation of the World Health Organisation about this:

"WHO TobReg strongly recommended that these class of products not be exempted from clean air laws that restriction restrict cigarette smoke exposure (see WHO FCTC, Article 8) until adequate evidence is provided to assure the regulatory authority that use of the product will not expose people to toxic emissions."
*E-Cigtest, the ultimate electronic cigarettes review site and forum* Le site de la cigarette électronique - View Single Post - WHO - Marketers of electronic cigarettes should halt unproved therapy claims

If the government are forced to make a decision this would be the most logical advice to take.

[strayling]

This is the recommendation of the World Health Organisation about this:

"WHO TobReg strongly recommended that these class of products not be exempted from clean air laws that restriction restrict cigarette smoke exposure (see WHO FCTC, Article 8) ...

So if our personal vapourisers start to emit tobacco smoke then they'll be restricted. Glad that's all cleared up :-\

[Kate]

"... these class of products not be exempted from clean air laws ..." - as is, no smoke necessary.

[strayling]

Yeah, it's weasel wording at its finest. The problem I have with their statement is that it assumes that PVs fall under the scope of existing restrictions on tobacco smoking devices and would need to be exempted. It's the second part of the sentence that defies common sense: "... clean air laws that restriction restrict cigarette smoke exposure" (I left the word fumble in the sentence alone because it doesn't seem to change the meaning).

What I'm getting at is that if a device doesn't produce cigarette smoke then those particular restrictions cannot apply anyway. There are other clean air regulations which could apply, and I'm actually fine with that because I think the PVs will pass that with no trouble.

I'm not being randomly nit-picky here - if PVs get put in the same class as tobacco smoke then there will be no need to actually test the vapour because it's been condemned out of the gate. The phrase, "give a dog a bad name and hang him" springs to mind.

I don't think we've anything to fear from tests on the vapour produced by PVs but this looks awfully like a way for the regulators to save themselves the bother and simply ban them with no testing done. The burden of proving their innocence would then fall on PV manufacturers and that's just backwards and wrong.

[Kate]

Yes, it's guilty until proved innocent.

Second hand vapour might or might not be harmful ... we don't know yet so we're likely to be protected from the unknown.

As Tropical Bob would point out, we could always stop smoking with an approved, clean NRT.

[strayling]

I use a vapouriser because I like playing with it, blowing steam rings, enjoying the taste of the flavours and - not least - the nicotine hit. I don't see anything to be ashamed of in any of those things so I'm not at all interested in some NRT designed to feed an addiction in the least enjoyable fashion. If seeking enjoyment makes some people think I'm a bad person then I'll happily accept the title (and try to avoid meeting them and their ilk).

Hm. That sounded a bit angry, but I don't really mean it that way. It's more exasperation with the mindset that says if it's enjoyable it must be bad.

[Kate]

... exasperation with the mindset that says if it's enjoyable it must be bad.

I know the feeling.

[e-pipeman]

It's more exasperation with the mindset that says if it's enjoyable it must be bad.

This mindset has been on the ascendant over the last 30 years. Where once priggishness would have been met with contempt it is now met with approval. We live in strange times.