Manufacturers/Suppliers: What's in your cartridges?

[RatInDaHat]

agreed.

[trog100]

they take the view that the stuff they used to hold the liquid dosnt get hot enough to burn or melt..

but i know enough about engineering to know a quality or at least well made product.. lets say with a little knowledge corner cutting is easy to spot..

i look at my cheap ebay purchased dse901 mini cig.. i dont see poorly made.. i see no corner cutting.. i see nicely machined and turned brass parts.. stainless steel for the atomizer.. i see a beautifully long lasting finish.. i dont see "cheap"..

i look at my e-cig supplied e pipe.. i see a quality product.. i see a a beautifully finished hardwood bowl (i expected plastic) i see nice machine brass parts.. i see a nice thing.. i dont see "cheap" or any corner cutting..

i can see "cheap" a mile off.. but the technology just aint there.. the "wool" passing liquid to wire gauze then to the little ceramic pot thru some holes in the side and being heated by a simple wire wound resistor coil by a battery that is mostly too small current product.. is just not precise enough.. i see no reason why a 350 dollar ruyun pipe should work any better than my 45 dollar c-cig pipe which uses the same technology..

i see a whole bunch of people longing to see the kings new suit..longing to beleive that e cig quality can be bought.. me i just see his pimply naked flesh.. and a technolgy that aint quite there yet.. life is sad for me.. he he he

and the reason some prices are so high is purely down to marketing and mark up.. and a rolls royce wont perform as well as a lexus but it does carry the prestige factor which is what some people pay for..

trog

ps.. as for the carts.. i dont see cheap.. i see a waste of money.. the pipe ones come in a big nice plastic container with another container inside.. the classic ones comes with a new mouth piece.. cheap would be some little plug in bits of wool filled plastic in a bag.. and they are all individually boxed.. these dudes aint trying very hard to save manufacturing costs they seem to be doing the bloody opposite..

dudes if these guys wanted to save money the "wool" would be the last thing to change..

[karenwest1961]

I bought some deep sea sponge last night and I'm going to replace the wool in one cartridge with a piece of deep sea sponge to see how it smokes just for giggles. But I'm going to wait until the new thinner liquid from Jane gets here to do it.

http://living.oneindia.in/health/scienc ... -drug.html

[dnakr]

I took the liberty of emailing healthnz.co.nz like RuyanXpress had advised. Below is the response that I received from Murray Laugesen. If I get another update, I will post.

Rachel

Dear Rachel

Good question. This wisp of fibre has to be harmless, and inert, and as far
as I know it is silicon gel. I will enquire again on this point.

Are you in manufacturing or retail or just a consumer?

Murray Laugesen

[TropicalBob]

Good for you, Rachel. I have lots of personal correspondence from Dr. Laugesen, but hesitated to ask him about this (I've bugged him a lot with other issues). Keep us posted on what he says. He's funded by Ruyan to test Ruyan products, but his conclusions should be applicable to many other e-devices.

[Klaue]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

He's funded by Ruyan to test Ruyan products, but his conclusions should be applicable to many other e-devices.

That's what worries me - How can we know that his research is not biased when he gets the money for it from ruyan?

[TropicalBob]

Funding medical research is a problem. Governments don't do it, so who's left? But I think you can believe what Dr. Laugesen reports. He's a respected researcher. He will tell us the truth in what he reports. That said ..

If a bias is present, it often works like this: True statements of study conclusions are made public. We know they are true because the researcher's reputation is riding on them. But bad stuff doesn't get publicized. The funding company is notified .. "we have a concern with this" .. and that information is not made part of any official report.

Yes, that's a problem for us as consumers.

[trog100]

just be careful u dont all turn into a bunch of health freaks.. delving too deeply into exactly whats in the junk we consume can be the stuff of nightmares..

trog

[TropicalBob]

I'm not a health freak, Trog. But what we need to be assured of is that the vapor cloud we place in our lungs does not contain a quantity of a mutagen or carcinogen that will cause Big Trouble down the road. I think most here consider e-smoking something to continue for a lifetime, as they did cigarette smoking until the dangers overwhelmed them.

Yes, even the air we breathe has dangerous chemicals in it. But it's the quantity that must concern us. We are concentrating the chemicals in that vapor and sucking it unfiltered into our lungs. If there are particulates present, they stick to the lung's walls. What's in those particulates? What price might we pay? We hope the vapor is harmless, used merely as a carrier for nicotine. That's my hope! But, hey, we don't even know how inhalation of propylene glycol on a regular basis will affect a person. No tests have been done.

A lab test analyzing the vapor seems very much in order. You can bet my country will do such testing when these things finally come on the radar here. I don't look forward to the regulations that will follow, but I do look forward to more safety assurances than we presently have -- trusting unknown manufacturers located somewhere in China. That doesn't give me great confidence. Their numerous product failures is even less inspirational. Do they really "know what they're doing?"

[trog100]

we will never know for sure bob.. just take comfort in the fact your placebo approach carries less danger for u than my forty a day replacement approach..

one takes the risk or one dosnt.. one will never know for sure.. i take it.. just like i do with all the e number food types i consume.. one bad cow going in the collective huge pot we all eat from could kill the lot of us..

a few years back one bad cow might kill the odd villager and the local butcher get some stick.. now its frighteningly different just like it is with the spread of germs.. the plague carrier was likely to die before the ship arrived.. now he can be a on an airplane and visit several countries before anyone knows he has the plague..

we live in a very dangerous world dude.. best not to look tooo closely at it..

worrying too much about the stuff that is used to carry e luid in should be low down on our worry priorities..

trog