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    Default Red Flag Going Up: Vaping and Oils

    I know this has been lightly discussed, but I've only found small amounts of discussion about vaping and oils. I do NOT think that vaping any kind of oil is safe, yet my favorite flavor is Snickerdoodle. Go figure that one. I'm seconds away from asking my supplier (Vaporbomb) if they use a cinnamon OIL-BASED flavor (or what they're using as a substitute), or any other oil-based flavor for that matter.

    After seeing this video[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWizH...&feature=feedf ] from one of the April Fool's threads, which by the way was funny but sad that the FDA haven't given up , it really made me think about flavors that are oil based. Oil-inhalation sounds pretty bad for lungs and overall health.

    Most of the threads here on ECF were atty-concerned rather than lung-concerned. I don't care if it screws up my atty, I care about my lungs now that I don't smoke cigarettes. Maybe it's time to make an "oil-free" vendors list, just like with diacetyl? I don't feel like stirring anything up, but I'm legitimately concerned. Thanks for any input

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    Cinnamon oil by lorann is my favorite vape. I've not had any health problems due to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hairball View Post
    Cinnamon oil by lorann is my favorite vape. I've not had any health problems due to it.
    Good to hear I'm probably being paranoid, but this is seriously worrying me. Like I said, I love Snickerdoodle, but I don't know if the cinnamon is oil-based.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raynen View Post
    Good to hear I'm probably being paranoid, but this is seriously worrying me. Like I said, I love Snickerdoodle, but I don't know if the cinnamon is oil-based.
    I use oils in my own DIY concoction with no sign of health problems. Personally, I don't worry for two reasons.

    First, that the only things I can find that indicate health problems with oils are when some people are sensitive/allergic to certain ones. Cinnamon is often cited for this, but it can happen with any oil.

    Second, oils are much more potent than other flavorings, and so much less is used. In my recipes that include oils, the oils component rarely exceeds 2%, with 1% being much more common. This is compared to the 10-20% for other flavorings. With such a small amount, any health risk should be equally minimized.

    Of course, if oils aren't in your comfort zone, then I very much recommend that you don't use them. Lots of people do, though, with no ill effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zal42 View Post
    In my recipes that include oils, the oils component rarely exceeds 2%, with 1% being much more common. This is compared to the 10-20% for other flavorings. With such a small amount, any health risk should be equally minimized.
    This is where my blonde hair shows, but what do you mean by other flavorings? As in from other vendors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raynen View Post
    This is where my blonde hair shows, but what do you mean by other flavorings? As in from other vendors?
    No, I mean non-oil-based flavorings. I'm talking about the flavorings used in juices, not the juices themselves. Only a very small fraction are oils. Most of them are pg-based, and the next-most are alcohol-based. The oils in my inventory right now are clove, anise, cinnamon, orange, lemon, and a couple different mints. The rest are pg based.

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    Not to make light of the subject, but I just wanted to point out the various oils we smoked every day, along with another 500 some odd ingredients, and 4000+ chemicals from the burning process.

    Allspice Extract, Oleoresin, and Oil
    Almond Bitter Oil
    Amyris Oil
    Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil
    Anise Star, Extract and Oils
    Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil
    Balsam Peru and Oil
    Basil Oil
    Bay leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil
    Bergamot Oil
    Buchu Leaf Oil
    Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil
    Cananga Oil
    Caraway Oil
    Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder
    Carrot Oil
    Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract
    Cassia Bark Oil
    Cassie Absolute and Oil
    Cedar Leaf Oil
    Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana
    Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin
    Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract
    Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract
    Citronella Oil
    Clary Oil
    Coconut Oil
    Cognac White and Green Oil
    Copaiba Oil
    Coriander Extract and Oil
    Corn Oil
    Costus Root Oil
    Cubeb Oil
    Davana Oil
    Dill Seed Oil and Extract
    Fennel Sweet Oil
    Galbanum Oil
    Geranium Rose Oil
    Ginger Oil and Oleoresin
    Guaiac Wood Oil
    Hops Oil
    Hyssop Oil
    Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil
    Lavandin Oil
    Lavender oil
    Lemon Oil and Extract
    Lemongrass Oil
    Lime Oil
    Lovage Oil And Extract
    Mandarin Oil
    Myrrh Oil
    Neroli Bigarde Oil
    Nutmeg Powder and Oil
    Oak chips extract and oil
    Olibanum oil
    Opoponax oil and gum
    Orange oil and extract
    Origanum oil
    Orris concrete oil and root extract
    Palmarosa Oil
    Parsley Seed Oil
    Patchouli Oil
    Pepper Oil, Black And White
    Peppermint Oil
    Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil
    Petitgrain Absolute, Mandarin Oil and Terpeneless Oil
    Pimenta Leaf Oil
    Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch
    Rose Absolute and Oil
    Rosemary Oil
    Sage, Sage oil, and Sage oleoresin
    Sandalwood oil, yellow
    Snakeroot oil
    Spearmint oil
    Styrax extract, gum and oil
    Tagetes Oil
    Thyme Oil, White and Red
    Valerian Root Extract, Oil and Powder
    Vetiver Oil

    This really makes me wonder how in world they had room for the actual tobacco!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zal42 View Post
    No, I mean non-oil-based flavorings. I'm talking about the flavorings used in juices, not the juices themselves. Only a very small fraction are oils. Most of them are pg-based, and the next-most are alcohol-based. The oils in my inventory right now are clove, anise, cinnamon, orange, lemon, and a couple different mints. The rest are pg based.
    Okay, sorry, just needed to clear it up. I don't feel ill or have had any bad side-effects. I feel better knowing that nothing serious (besides seeing the youtube video) has shown up so far.
    Quote Originally Posted by StormFinch View Post
    Not to make light of the subject, but I just wanted to point out the various oils we smoked every day, along with another 500 some odd ingredients, and 4000+ chemicals from the burning process.

    Allspice Extract, Oleoresin, and Oil
    Almond Bitter Oil
    Amyris Oil
    Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil
    Anise Star, Extract and Oils
    Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil
    Balsam Peru and Oil
    Basil Oil
    Bay leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil
    Bergamot Oil
    Buchu Leaf Oil
    Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil
    Cananga Oil
    Caraway Oil
    Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder
    Carrot Oil
    Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract
    Cassia Bark Oil
    Cassie Absolute and Oil
    Cedar Leaf Oil
    Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana
    Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin
    Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract
    Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract
    Citronella Oil
    Clary Oil
    Coconut Oil
    Cognac White and Green Oil
    Copaiba Oil
    Coriander Extract and Oil
    Corn Oil
    Costus Root Oil
    Cubeb Oil
    Davana Oil
    Dill Seed Oil and Extract
    Fennel Sweet Oil
    Galbanum Oil
    Geranium Rose Oil
    Ginger Oil and Oleoresin
    Guaiac Wood Oil
    Hops Oil
    Hyssop Oil
    Jasmine Absolute, Concrete and Oil
    Lavandin Oil
    Lavender oil
    Lemon Oil and Extract
    Lemongrass Oil
    Lime Oil
    Lovage Oil And Extract
    Mandarin Oil
    Myrrh Oil
    Neroli Bigarde Oil
    Nutmeg Powder and Oil
    Oak chips extract and oil
    Olibanum oil
    Opoponax oil and gum
    Orange oil and extract
    Origanum oil
    Orris concrete oil and root extract
    Palmarosa Oil
    Parsley Seed Oil
    Patchouli Oil
    Pepper Oil, Black And White
    Peppermint Oil
    Peruvian (Bois De Rose) Oil
    Petitgrain Absolute, Mandarin Oil and Terpeneless Oil
    Pimenta Leaf Oil
    Pine Needle Oil, Pine Oil, Scotch
    Rose Absolute and Oil
    Rosemary Oil
    Sage, Sage oil, and Sage oleoresin
    Sandalwood oil, yellow
    Snakeroot oil
    Spearmint oil
    Styrax extract, gum and oil
    Tagetes Oil
    Thyme Oil, White and Red
    Valerian Root Extract, Oil and Powder
    Vetiver Oil

    This really makes me wonder how in world they had room for the actual tobacco!
    I know! It's crazy the amount of garbage that was in cigarettes, cigarettes that I used to INHALE! Now that I've quit, I'm a bit of a health nut

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raynen View Post
    I know this has been lightly discussed, but I've only found small amounts of discussion about vaping and oils. I do NOT think that vaping any kind of oil is safe, yet my favorite flavor is Snickerdoodle. Go figure that one. I'm seconds away from asking my supplier (Vaporbomb) if they use a cinnamon OIL-BASED flavor (or what they're using as a substitute), or any other oil-based flavor for that matter.

    After seeing this video[ YouTube - Bad news for E-cig Users ] from one of the April Fool's threads, which by the way was funny but sad that the FDA haven't given up , it really made me think about flavors that are oil based. Oil-inhalation sounds pretty bad for lungs and overall health.

    Most of the threads here on ECF were atty-concerned rather than lung-concerned. I don't care if it screws up my atty, I care about my lungs now that I don't smoke cigarettes. Maybe it's time to make an "oil-free" vendors list, just like with diacetyl? I don't feel like stirring anything up, but I'm legitimately concerned. Thanks for any input

    +Raynen
    Your concern isn't totally unfounded. Nick at DV/TW knows a lot about this since he makes ejuice. Here's a few links to his 'Ask Nick' forum:

    Will a Clove E-Liquid Be Available?

    concentrate composition

    Note in the last one he says: "Essential oils are generally fine as ingredients, but obviously check the MSDS to ensure they're suitable for internal use (some herb oils, like Dill, can be very hazardous!)"

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    Quote Originally Posted by hairball View Post
    Cinnamon oil by lorann is my favorite vape. I've not had any health problems due to it.

    Health problems as far as what? I mean... vaporizing oil for less than a year hardly signifies what effects it may or may not have long term. I smoked cigarettes for years before noticing/feeling any sort of health alterations, with that in mind I believe if is far-fetched to assume safety in relation to vaporizing oil for a potential 226.14 days. Just my two pennies.

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