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    Unless you are using a Dripping Atty with a side air hole or a Genesis style tank with a side air hole, you may not be making equal comparisons.
    Not all Mods are going to be regulated the same, though I believe both the SID and MVP use standard 33mhz chipsets.

    Simple differences in the way a passthrough tank sit on a particular Mod will effect the overall Vape experience.
    Protank is a good example as it will not work well at all on a Provari. The tank screws down to far and stops air flow.
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    The sid and the mvp don't regulate the power in the exact same way is all. One isn't really any better or worse, they're just a little different. The good news is that you are free to choose which you like best.
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    There will come a time when you won't have access to that extra battery... and then you'll
    remember asking the difference between a regular mod and an MVP 2.0

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    I understand exactly what you are asking. I purchased an Itaste vv 3.0 a while back after considerable research. I like it allright, it did take me a while to figure it out. It is nice for an Ohm meter that also happens to work as a PV. The flavor is different on it as compared to my vision spinners. I have 4 1300 mah spinners and when the abtteries are fresh the itaste will not give you as good of a flavor. I have adjusted the volts all the way up and down. I have used the wattage setting and went through the entire spectrum. I use a dripper and I use the same one going from one to the other. Flavor seems to be cleaner and a little stronger on the spinners. It could be my imagination, I have not done a blind taste test to see. The reason I don't think it is my imagination is that I really wanted to like the itaste. I love the look of it and I like the vape fine, it is just not quite as good as my spinners produce. Now I have two mechs coming from FT. One is somewhere in the U.S. and the other is on it's way to the U.S. I can't wait to see how the mechs perform in comparison. I love the clean look of the Nemesis and the one mech I have hit was running a 1 ohm coil and the hit was wonderful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kemosabe View Post
    The reason is the processor. Different vaporizers function with different efficiencies. Depending on the quality of the unit's processor, your vape will differ.

    All vv/vw mods accomplish the vv/vw using a system called Pulse Width Modulation, or PWM. The mod pulses a series of voltages multiple times per second to reach the voltage you set. The speed at which the processor pulses will determine the quality of the vape.

    A slower processor, like the Vamo for example will cycle at 33hz per second. The pulsing is quite noticeable at this speed- most users can even hear the pulsing manifested as a "rattlesnake" sound. The provari for example cycles at 800hz/second which is indistinguishable to the user. All other mods fall somewhere in between. The evic cycles at a little over 100hz.

    I've read that the innokin products are quite speedy on the cycles as well but I can't recall the results. I do have reason to believe that the newer variations a la the v2 and newer models have quicker processors than the v1s and such.

    It's likely that you SID cycles at a higher rate than your MVP v1.

    Mechanical mods will give you a straight DC current and does no cycling whatsoever.

    Evolv mods and kicks have an extremely efficient processor, on par with the speed of the provari processor. Same thing with the semovar. But the list pretty much stops there. Everything else is noticeably different.

    The knockoff kicks like the sigelei kick cycles at 33hz/second- same as the vamo.

    I hope that helps explain things for you.

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    The MVP is 37hz and the SID is using the same chip as the Evic at 103hz. It smooths out the highs and lows of the voltage regulation process giving you a smoother and warmer vape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kemosabe View Post
    The reason is the processor. Different vaporizers function with different efficiencies. Depending on the quality of the unit's processor, your vape will differ.

    All vv/vw mods accomplish the vv/vw using a system called Pulse Width Modulation, or PWM. The mod pulses a series of voltages multiple times per second to reach the voltage you set. The speed at which the processor pulses will determine the quality of the vape.

    A slower processor, like the Vamo for example will cycle at 33hz per second. The pulsing is quite noticeable at this speed- most users can even hear the pulsing manifested as a "rattlesnake" sound. The provari for example cycles at 800hz/second which is indistinguishable to the user. All other mods fall somewhere in between. The evic cycles at a little over 100hz.

    I've read that the innokin products are quite speedy on the cycles as well but I can't recall the results. I do have reason to believe that the newer variations a la the v2 and newer models have quicker processors than the v1s and such.

    It's likely that you SID cycles at a higher rate than your MVP v1.

    Mechanical mods will give you a straight DC current and does no cycling whatsoever.

    Evolv mods and kicks have an extremely efficient processor, on par with the speed of the provari processor. Same thing with the semovar. But the list pretty much stops there. Everything else is noticeably different.

    The knockoff kicks like the sigelei kick cycles at 33hz/second- same as the vamo.

    I hope that helps explain things for you.

    Have fun and vape on
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    FOr me it is all about a replaceable battery vs a throw away device. I can get a decent vape on either (caveate being I wrap my own coils so I can tweak to the device).

    With the FDA of doom still hanging over us moving over to mechs with replaceable batterys and rebuildable atomizers was the only way in my book. If something breaks I can fix it. If the FDA were to shut down internet sales I couldn't replace a MVP or EGO twist. With a mech I am self sufficient.
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    I think the difference is that the SID uses pulse width modulation (6 volt pulse signal that stays on for longer or shorter to imulate the voltage you have it set to) and the output signal on the MVP is the actual voltage that you have set.

    The mods that use the PWM tend to hit harder, and the ones with the straight output signal hit smoother.

    I prefer a smoother hit as it is more satifying (IMO).

    I could be wrong though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kemosabe View Post
    The reason is the processor. Different vaporizers function with different efficiencies. Depending on the quality of the unit's processor, your vape will differ.

    All vv/vw mods accomplish the vv/vw using a system called Pulse Width Modulation, or PWM. The mod pulses a series of voltages multiple times per second to reach the voltage you set. The speed at which the processor pulses will determine the quality of the vape.

    A slower processor, like the Vamo for example will cycle at 33hz per second. The pulsing is quite noticeable at this speed- most users can even hear the pulsing manifested as a "rattlesnake" sound. The provari for example cycles at 800hz/second which is indistinguishable to the user. All other mods fall somewhere in between. The evic cycles at a little over 100hz.

    I've read that the innokin products are quite speedy on the cycles as well but I can't recall the results. I do have reason to believe that the newer variations a la the v2 and newer models have quicker processors than the v1s and such.

    It's likely that you SID cycles at a higher rate than your MVP v1.

    Mechanical mods will give you a straight DC current and does no cycling whatsoever.

    Evolv mods and kicks have an extremely efficient processor, on par with the speed of the provari processor. Same thing with the semovar. But the list pretty much stops there. Everything else is noticeably different.

    The knockoff kicks like the sigelei kick cycles at 33hz/second- same as the vamo.

    I hope that helps explain things for you.

    Have fun and vape on
    I think the above explains when I got my ProVari, using the same topper, same juice, same voltage - yet the ProVari simply tasted better? Wasn't expecting that to happen either. I like and use my itaste stuff for travel, and my ProVari at home (I tend to drop stuff).
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    Biggest issue for me is I don't use or trust Lipo battery cells, which is what is in the MVP. If I can't use my battery type of choice in a PV, I'm not going to use that PV.

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