I especially like this comment:
Thank you very much for showing this to us. What a lovely surpriseThat's because we've been trained well to understand that we have no rights, only granted privileges. This understanding is often accompanied by an unswerving compulsion to never upset the herd. Unfortunately, what is not understood so well is the fact that the herd actively seeks reasons to be upset if no real reasons are provided.
DC et al,
Gonna have to deep six dis thread. 'Nuff's nuff!
Cat chasing tail, cuttin' off nose and all da other crap...
Just a few observations 'fore I leave ya'll to wrestle and wallow in da vapin' muds:
- Follow da money
- Not all vapin' activists blow voluminous clouds vapor in every ones' faces
- Not all vapin' pacifists live in closets/basements/under bridges
- We should promote vapin' to da unknowing, and especially da media
- Educate whenever possible via civiized means
- Be bold, brave and respectful!
I'll continue to try and garner more v-verts ('bout 50 thus far) by being grateful I quit da 'bakky and letting folk approach me due to my vapin' visibility. I'll also continue to support all those that are willing to fight for the right to improve their health. As for the others... <sigh>
I think one day all the necessary studies will be done then everyone will know the facts. If and when that day comes and if it is found that vaping is a safe alternative to smoking, the medical community will go on the record to support it.
Just my hope anyway...
The only thing creating a law against vaping in public would accomplish is to deny businesses the option of allowing vaping. Why shouldn't private businesses be allowed to say "we welcome vapors"? There is no reason to deny that option until we discover vaping is harmful, until that point people should be allowed to decide on their own if they want to be around it or not.
Where as there are Definitely to Two Sides to a Ban, does the possible Inability of those who want there to be No Vaping Allowed in their establishment Outweigh those who would like vaping to be Allowed?
Tough Call. Because there is going to be One Side who Doesn't like the Outcome.
BTW - What is your Position on the Larger Issue of Vaping in Enclosed spaces in the Workplace? It would seem that Consumers have a Choice where they Frequent. But the Workplace brings up More Unique Challenges.
Do you think a Company has the "Right" to Allow or Dis-Allow Vaping in Enclosed Spaces?
Vaping is to smoking as drinking water is to drinking vodka. (ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE VAPING ZERO NIC JUICE)
Both liquids are clear, both liquids are put into a glass, and both liquids are consumed by drinking. However that's where the simularities end.
How can we convince the uninformed that vaping is NOT smoking if we can't convince ourselves?
When you divorce vaping from smoking then you begin to see how all ridiculous all the objections sound.
Vape on it's own is no different than perfume, anti-perspirant, cologne, air freshener. etc. In fact many of the "air fresheners" we spray around our house consist of hazardous chemicals by the score. Take a toke of Lysol and tell me how you feel. Yet the public use of these products go without saying. So why is vape so special? Because it is primarily used by "ex smokers" or smokers trying to quit.
Vaping is stygmatized not because what it is, but because of who WE ARE (or WERE).
When we as vapers continue to treat vaping as the same as smoking, they only further the false perception that vaping is somehow equivalent to smoking.
I am all for being "considerate" and "decent". I really wish the e-cig community would stop using terms like "clean smoke" and "smoke anywhere". They only serve to reinforce the perception that vaping equals smoking.
That is the message that needs to be driven home. Vaping is not smoking. Vapers don't smoke and e-cigarettes are not cigarettes. If "we the people" want to establish standards of courtesy and manners regarding vaping, I don't have a problem with that. Just so long as those standards are not based on the presumption that vaping and smoking ought to somehow be treated the same.
If we are going to institute bans on vaping simply because it can be confused with smoking or looks like smoking, then we should also ban the sale of water to minors (looks like vodka), ban the drinking of water except where alcohol can be consumed (to avoid confusion in the enforcement of alcohol restrictions). And discourage people from drinking water because it can be a gateway to drinking alcohol.
If this sounds ludicrous to you, it should. The same way that bans on vaping are ludicrous for the very same reasons.
ProVari: It's nothing more than a metal tube with a button on it that is well built and accurately delivers a set voltage continuously under load.
Its all about the MONEY. Vapers are cutting into Big Tobacco's profits. What are the punishments for the bans if caught? A fine usually. The governments are broke, they need money. The Pharma companies need money too. They care less about ones health unless it has dollar signs attached to it. Remember there are no cures, just Treatment of ailments. Illinois has a new law that will fine people that throw their butts on the ground. Lunacy i say, since Illinois already has Littering laws on the books. We all are grown up and dont need baby sitters or micro-managers running our lives.
Another aspect of the bans are they don't want the Children seeing it. Its for the children's safety.......i could ramble on and on.