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    Oh. . My appologies i got mixed up there. I hear ya and i know what you are getting at. But when u use words like "traps" and speak about "popular opinions" it sounds like you think (and i could be taking you up wrong) that theres some big weird conspiricy going on. Its pretty simple really. Governments are un aware and un educated about vapour and its effects, at the same time they see its becomming very popular and tobacco sales are probably dropping. So the loose it in one hand and they take it back with the other by taxing e juice and changing legislation to do so. Just two days ago major eu legislation was passed about this. Here in ireland twenty smokes are almost 10, thats what around 12 dollars? Thats alot of tax!
    And you know what ive got no problem with it being regulated if it meant there was an industry standard, health and safety etc. I would gladly pay an extra euro or two for a bottle of juice if it was widely available and of a garanteed quality, but they will make a ....e of it and we will be getting the same stuff (excluding china juice probably) for crazy money and it will be chemists and prescribtions and they will kill it. Maybe it will be different in the US but thats how our government opperate
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    I disagree with this ! i switched to decafe coffee no problem(8 big cups a day coffee drinker) 4 hours with out my nicotine and I am a going nuts!
    i think nicotine is totally addictive



    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_A View Post
    um... actually, it isn't highly addictive. or it is... IF you say that caffeine is highly addictive compared to alcohol.

    Educate yourself before accepting the "popular opinion" given to us by those organizations that want to regulate vaping out of existence.

    FAQ: Nicotine (tobaccoharmreduction.org)

    The more you KNOW, the better prepared you can be.

    a better statement is:
    Nicotine and Caffeine are equally addictive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_A View Post
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    I honestly think that Smoking is an addiction. Nicotine is a Habit.
    addictions are things that cause harm to other people because you cannot stop
    Habits do not cause harm to other people.
    So one is an Addiction. And One is a Habit. OK. What is the Difference between the Two?

    BTW - I noticed that you posted a Link which Infers that Nicotine in and of Itself Doesn't Cause Cancer. Cool.

    But are there Any Other Health Risks to putting Nicotine into your body Besides causing Cancer?

    Or is Causing Cancer the Only Benchmark that we should use in Evaluating the "Safety" of Ingesting Nicotine?
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    I smoked for more than 40 years, 1 1/2 packs of cigarettes a day. Started vaping 2 years come March 1st and have gone down from 18mg to 6mg and sometimes 0. I noticed early on that I did not crave vaping when I had to go to doctor appointments, etc., for long periods of time where before, I always got antsy after 30 minutes of sitting somewhere not being able to light up.

    We're all different so making a "cookie cutter" rule doesn't work.

    My opinion as to the topic is that if an adult wants to do something, they have the freedom to do it. All the well intentioned advice will not be heeded if they decide to do it, this has been going on since the world began. I can think of worse things people can start doing other than vaping.

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    You're makeing alot of sense there rosa, well put.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tom1919 View Post
    Oh. . My appologies i got mixed up there. I hear ya and i know what you are getting at. But when u use words like "traps" and speak about "popular opinions" it sounds like you think (and i could be taking you up wrong) that theres some big weird conspiricy going on. Its pretty simple really. Governments are un aware and un educated about vapour and its effects, at the same time they see its becomming very popular and tobacco sales are probably dropping. So the loose it in one hand and they take it back with the other by taxing e juice and changing legislation to do so. Just two days ago major eu legislation was passed about this. Here in ireland twenty smokes are almost 10, thats what around 12 dollars? Thats alot of tax!
    And you know what ive got no problem with it being regulated if it meant there was an industry standard, health and safety etc. I would gladly pay an extra euro or two for a bottle of juice if it was widely available and of a garanteed quality, but they will make a ....e of it and we will be getting the same stuff (excluding china juice probably) for crazy money and it will be chemists and prescribtions and they will kill it. Maybe it will be different in the US but thats how our government opperate
    situational evidence suggests that governments DO know the difference. I don't see a conspiracy there though. They are either individually ignoring the evidence, individually using appearance as a reason to regulate, or jumping on the bandwagon when they see those tactics work elsewhere.
    And yes, there is a loose conspiracy with the corporations encouraging over-regulation so they can regain their profits.

    As far as regulation goes, there is already regulation in place for vaping. Devices are covered under consumer electronics, and the eliquid is covered under human consumable products.

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    So one is an Addiction. And One is a Habit. OK. What is the Difference between the Two?

    BTW - I noticed that you posted a Link which Infers that Nicotine in and of Itself Doesn't Cause Cancer. Cool.

    But are there Any Other Health Risks to putting Nicotine into your body Besides causing Cancer?

    Or is Causing Cancer the Only Benchmark that we should use in Evaluating the "Safety" of Ingesting Nicotine?
    the difference, as I see it is that one causes harm to others through some sort of neglect, and the other does not.
    As for other possible health risks, you should read the paper. Within the first few paragraphs, it says that there is a possible danger to children in the womb. Just like other "adult" things, like wine, caffeine, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by RosaJ View Post
    I smoked for more than 40 years, 1 1/2 packs of cigarettes a day. Started vaping 2 years come March 1st and have gone down from 18mg to 6mg and sometimes 0. I noticed early on that I did not crave vaping when I had to go to doctor appointments, etc., for long periods of time where before, I always got antsy after 30 minutes of sitting somewhere not being able to light up.

    We're all different so making a "cookie cutter" rule doesn't work.

    My opinion as to the topic is that if an adult wants to do something, they have the freedom to do it. All the well intentioned advice will not be heeded if they decide to do it, this has been going on since the world began. I can think of worse things people can start doing other than vaping.
    I totally agree with your stance. An adult should be allowed to make their own choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_A View Post
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    the difference, as I see it is that one causes harm to others through some sort of neglect, and the other does not.
    As for other possible health risks, you should read the paper. Within the first few paragraphs, it says that there is a possible danger to children in the womb. Just like other "adult" things, like wine, caffeine, etc.

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    So do you Believe that Ingesting Nicotine at the Levels and Frequency that the Average do poses No Health Risks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom1919 View Post
    Point taken, but nicotine is highly addictive compared to alcohol so the comparison you gave isnt entirely relevant
    "No withdrawal symptoms suggesting nicotine addiction have been reported either after 46 weeks of therapy in short-term studies, or after a period of up to 6 months in the only long-term study available [13]."

    Nicotine treatment for ulcerative colitis

    Unless you know something to be true don't parrot the ANTZ lies.

    The addiction is in the cigarette smoke not the nicotine.
    When I switched from cigarettes to pipes I was having constant nicotine OD because I used heavy duty tobacco, I was chain puffing. I'd still want a cigarette after having a bowl.
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    It doesn't help "the cause" because the ANTZ will claim it's teaching people to smoke. But we all know the ANTZ will lie about everything anyway and they are nothing resembling sane.

    We don't know what the effects of 50 years of chronic inhalation of flavors and PG/VG will be. But then again we do know the effects of inhalation of car exhaust are and nobody seems to be worried about that.

    I don't believe anyone would switch from not smoking to vaping to smoking.
    I don't believe (in my experience, and scientific studies) that nicotine outside of smoking is addictive.

    ANTZ be damned, adults can make their own decision.
    Unless there's a reason to use nicotine I would suggest a non-smoker turned vaper stick with 0mg. I would keep the intake of vapor at reasonable amounts or not do lung inhales, you don't taste with your lungs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoiDman View Post
    So do you Believe that Ingesting Nicotine at the Levels and Frequency that the Average do poses No Health Risks?
    So far, there is no evidence to suggest increased health risks to vaping.
    Then again, all the studies I have heard about compare vaping to smoking. It would be interesting to get a few studies on the health risks of vaping alone.
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