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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikie View Post
    Challenge accepted. Why in the hell is anyone inhaling anything other than air? WHY?!? if you just want nicotine chew the gum, wear a patch. Oh, that's right, its cool and a hobby. lol

    with conviction btw
    i like your conviction. but your legitimacy fails in the bolded above.

    though, i "liked" your comment because it's about as legitimate as it's going to get when it comes to smoking cigarettes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_A View Post
    um... actually, it isn't highly addictive. or it is... IF you say that caffeine is highly addictive compared to alcohol.

    Educate yourself before accepting the "popular opinion" given to us by those organizations that want to regulate vaping out of existence.

    FAQ: Nicotine (tobaccoharmreduction.org)

    The more you KNOW, the better prepared you can be.

    a better statement is:
    Nicotine and Caffeine are equally addictive.
    I seem to notice that nowhere in the referenced article is the word 'addictive' used. The article seems to be more about the effects of nicotine as it relates to being a cancer causing agent, not an addictive one. I agree that nicotine is not the component in a cigarette that will kill you, however it is the addictive substance in the cigarette. I think this is why there is a general consensus that vaping is the safer of the two activities. While you still may have the dependency on nicotine, the carcinogens are absent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_A View Post
    heh - nope. I was not making a comparison between smoking and having an odd beer. That was someone else.

    And I'm not saying you are on the dark side. I'm just saying that you need to educate yourself so you do not fall into their traps.

    I honestly think that Smoking is an addiction. Nicotine is a Habit.
    addictions are things that cause harm to other people because you cannot stop
    Habits do not cause harm to other people.
    I honestly think that you have that one backwards. An addicted smoker is addicted to nicotine. Once a smoker quits smoking, the addiction to nicotine may be overcome relatively quickly. The habit of smoking not so easily gotten over. Speaking as someone who came to vaping years after I quite smoking, I can honestly say that the draw to vaping was not to get a nicotine fix, but to fulfill the habit of 'smoking'. Is my body physically dependent (read addicted) to vaping? No. But I like to indulge in the habit. Do I need to? No. Do I choose to vape? Yes. The mark of an addiction is not based on the harm it causes to others, but the physical discomfort one feels, personally, if deprived of the substance to which they have become dependent.
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    I have friends that have asked to try my stuff because I am so enthusiastic about vaping and they are so impressed that I was able to stop smoking. From everything I've read, I do not think that nicotine is that bad for you. In some cases I think it is even good so the only way I would try to deter someone is if they were talking about trying cigarettes. Smoking for me was used as a crutch so I am the first to admit that vaping is there for the same reason. It calms me. I enjoy my new hobby. I've gotten 5 of my friends to quit smoking so I will have to admit that is a good feeling too. It is fun to have vape buddies. heehee

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    Quote Originally Posted by RosaJ
    6. There is not one single published clinical trial that reports that pure nicotine administered to never-smokers creates dependence. If anyone tells you there is, ask for a link: no one else in the medical world has seen it. In contrast there are at least 6 clinical trials of pure nicotine administered in high doses to never-smokers for several months where no dependence resulted at all. (These trials were for measuring the beneficial effects of nicotine on some medical conditions such as cognitive dysfunction and auto-immune diseases.)
    This is very interesting. I have never heard this before. Can you please provide further information on this, or where to find it? I'd like to see the actual studies.

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    Just gonna throw this out there for a different perspective on things.

    My wife, someone who never smoked, started vaping recently, 0 nic. She did so for the flavors.

    She has a food addiction of sorts, as many people do, and has always had huge issues when it came to regulating her diet as a result. Sugary foods were her vice, and just like we as smokers used vaping as an alternative way to get nicotine, she uses it as an alternative way to get her sweet fix.

    A month later and we have successfully accomplished the diet plan called the whole 30. Its a monster, I wouldnt wish it on anybody. She lost 22 pounds and has no desire to eat sweet foods. Whenever she feels that crave she can simply pick up her PV and sample a variety of tasty juices.

    Its just another reason why I love ecigs so much. They helped me quit a 15 year habit, and helped her kick a life long habit.

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    Personally, if a non smoker wants to vape, I would set up my Chi and a dripper and let em have at it. Who am I to tell people what to do or not? Is it a good idea? Probably not, but they make their own choices. It's not a good idea to drive too fast or not wear a seat belt. There are numerous dangerous things people do every day and vaping just isn't something I would concern myself with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanJMag View Post
    An addicted smoker is addicted to nicotine. Once a smoker quits smoking, the addiction to nicotine may be overcome relatively quickly. The habit of smoking not so easily gotten over. Speaking as someone who came to vaping years after I quite smoking, I can honestly say that the draw to vaping was not to get a nicotine fix, but to fulfill the habit of 'smoking'. Is my body physically dependent (read addicted) to vaping? No. But I like to indulge in the habit. Do I need to? No. Do I choose to vape? Yes. The mark of an addiction is not based on the harm it causes to others, but the physical discomfort one feels, personally, if deprived of the substance to which they have become dependent.
    DanJMag, do you vape nicotine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sucker_dad View Post
    Personally, if a non smoker wants to vape, I would set up my Chi and a dripper and let em have at it. Who am I to tell people what to do or not? Is it a good idea? Probably not, but they make their own choices. It's not a good idea to drive too fast or not wear a seat belt. There are numerous dangerous things people do every day and vaping just isn't something I would concern myself with.
    Amen, brother. Personally, I would like to see vaping completely replace smoking. Instead of a youngster being pressured to smoke, let the trendy thing be to vape. Let's face it: as far as the youth 'fitting in' is concerned, it's all based on looks. What you wear, what you drive, what you smoke etc. At least with vaping the option is there to vape along with the rest, but stick to 0mg. I would think that most vapers agree that, regardless of the potential risks, vaping is the lesser of two evils, when compared to smoking. Some fear that if a non-smoker were to take up vaping it would lead to analogs. I say lets replace analogs entirely. I don't think it's that much of a stretch. These days it's all about the newest gadget. "You have the iPhone 4S? Well, I have the iPhone 5...etc." We need to emphasis to the impressionables that analogs are 'old technology'. "You mean you're still sucking on that old paper and plant stick? Get with the times!!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryedan View Post
    DanJMag, do you vape nicotine?
    No, I vape 0mg. I was a smoker for many years. I gave it up, I went through the withdrawals (which was very difficult, as I'm sure many will attest to). But, even though my body no longer tells me I need to have a cigarette (or vape,as it were) I still very much enjoy the 'ritual'. I enjoy the inhalation, I enjoy the contemplation, I enjoy the activity. After having been quit for several year, the desire to smoke got a hold of me quite strongly. I turned to vaping instead (0mg). It has satisfied that compulsion for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tom1919 View Post
    I agree with you there with regard to what you said about teens. They are more likely in my book to go from a cigalike to an analogue than an adult who might have more sense
    are you a FDA or CDC spy?

    Keep up the good vape!
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