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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombiecan View Post
    Well I have even before I started to vape. I see it more at the mall where they tend to hang out on the weekends. And like I said it's starting to become more of a trend now. It actually almost made me not get into vaping but since I have a lot of personal problems at the moment and started to crave analogs again but hated the smell and smoke I decided to give it a shot. Hopefully it's just in my neck of the woods and the kiddies don't catch on.

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    The kids must have some sort of income coming in, ecigs aren't cheap. Also, the ecig vendors I've bought from since I started to vape require carding, so these kids must have adults that buy them for them. If not, that means that the black market on ecigs for kids has already started.

    EDIT: If the kids are 18 or older, then that's another matter. They're adults, not kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RosaJ View Post
    The kids must have some sort of income coming in, ecigs aren't cheap. Also, the ecig vendors I've bought from since I started to vape require carding, so these kids must have adults that buy them for them. If not, that means that the black market on ecigs for kids has already started.
    Yup that's pretty much it... A lot of the neighborhoods around here are money. Mommy and daddy gets them what they want. Personally I never had a kids blow a vape cloud in my face but I've seen them showing off at the mall with their friends and people walk by and get it in their face and complain about it and that's when the kids say it's ok cause it's not smoke. And of course then non smokers and vapers say it's shouldn't be allowed anywhere just like analogs. Personally I don't really vape anywhere else besides my home because I don't want some uninformed ignorant person making the same kind of comments to me because I know it wouldn't end well lol.

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    That's because in Texas, if you blew smoke or vape in someone's face so rudely, the least you'd get is a good hiding!

    I don't behave like that and i can blow huge clouds if i want to - i confine it to my home.

    My money is on this - that the point of vaping anyway is to get away from cigarettes and that was the entire point for my wife and i. The Holy Grail was finding some reliable equipment that would allow us to do that.

    When that became available, all the other nonsense started, with people vaping to deliberately irritate others. Not cool!

    As for the harm to non-smokers taking up vaping, i refer you to this:
    Transcript of Viscount Ridley’s debate on e cigs in the House of Lords – how it should be done! | Save e-cigs

    Here is my favourite bit:

    “Unfortunately, we have no evidence”,
    of harm.
    There is said to be a risk of children taking up e-cigarettes and then turning to real cigarettes. Just think about that for a second. For every child who goes from cigarettes to electronic cigarettes, there would there have to be 1,000 going the other way, from e-cigarettes to cigarettes, for this to do any net harm.

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    My only other real serious point here is age. Every young person is different. Of course consent is and should be largely up to the parents. I am not talking about shoving ProVaris in the hands of infants and Janet Reno having to intervene, but reasonable discussions with teens. Society rightly sets one set age limit that is, like it or not, largely a consensus of when we say a person is capable of making a choice for him- or herself as an adult. Obviously this means nothing when it comes to individuals but is the best we can do.

    Many Italian families drink wine with meals, even kids often have a bit. This is not "irresponsible parents buying booze for the neighborhood kids and their parties" by any stretch. Some would try to make it into that. Relax, have something to eat, have a drink and a smoke or a vape if that is what tunes you up.
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    I'm actually in the camp of "keep minors out of shops and away from vaping" just because they're annoying as hades*. I'm guessing the theft/shoplifting rate is lower in places that are diligent about enforcing age restrictions.

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    Are there no workhouses to send the children to?

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    I read Rolygate's article. He makes some pretty huge leaps of logic with no evidence. Leaping and landing at the right conclusion doesn't mean you thought something out. So I'm not saying he's wrong, but I still have no reason to buy his arguments.

    The e-cigarette politics site discusses the potential addictiveness of nicotine in more realistic terms: there have been no studies on humans. So while one can say "there is no clinical evidence that pharmaceutical nicotine is addictive," it's important to ALSO say, "there is no evidence that it ISN'T addictive, either."

    The e-cigarette politics site also states that "experts" believe that it's probably not addictive apart from tobacco, but no citation is provided. They also claim that it's a "normal" dietary ingredient, and while this is true, nicotine occurring in plants like bell peppers is at a concentration in the nanograms. So it's really not relevant to a discussion on addiction.

    The point I'm making here is this: claiming that it is "not addictive" really is an unfounded claim. And regardless, it is a stimulant, whether you want to call it addictive or not. Some people get addicted to stimulants. The addictive properties of a drug are not always the determinant factor in whether or not people can actually be addicted to it. If people get addicted to things like gambling and sex, then they can certainly be addicted to nicotine; and if we have laws regulating gambling among minors, then it seems reasonable to also regulate nicotine among minors, as well.

    Having said all that, given the choice, I would much rather be addicted to vapor than to tobacco smoke (and I am addicted to neither).
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    A lot of non-smokers like the 'Hookah' experience in middle eastern restaurants. They sit there and puff on zero-nic flavours bubbling through the hookah. I have had one such social puffer approach me re getting hold of vaping equipment to transfer his "hubbly-bubbly" experience to home.

    Not sure why he did not simply buy his own hookah. Interestingly, I have seen e-hookahs on sale somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kronos01 View Post
    A lot of non-smokers like the 'Hookah' experience in middle eastern restaurants. They sit there and puff on zero-nic flavours bubbling through the hookah. I have had one such social puffer approach me re getting hold of vaping equipment to transfer his "hubbly-bubbly" experience to home.

    Not sure why he did not simply buy his own hookah. Interestingly, I have seen e-hookahs on sale somewhere.
    LOL, Hookahs are certainly not "zero nic." They involve combustion of tobacco and as such deliver nicotine. I'd call hookah devotees "smoker wantabees," unwilling to withstand the social stigma of using conventional tobacco products.

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