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    Quote Originally Posted by sedition View Post
    Some people just like to complain. In reality, this lady is posing more threat to her co-workers with a sneaky fart. Methane is more dangerous than nicotine.
    *dying*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spencer McGill View Post
    What would you suggest? My coworker didnt like it at first because she thought it was gross. Then she looked it up online (those bad sites probably) and heard the misinformed thing that it contains a bunch of chemicals ...which is not true.
    well bad news is: Vapor does contain 'a bunch of chemicals'. so in that regard, she is correct. But guess what? Your sandwich contains 'a bunch of chemicals'. That cola you drank with your sandwich contains 'a bunch of chemicals'. A glass of tap water contains 'a bunch of chemicals'. The air you breathe walking down the street contains 'a bunch of chemicals'. There is plenty of misinformation being spread on both sides of the vaping argument. Example:

    Quote Originally Posted by DrMa
    Since vapor is no more dangerous than exhaled breath (and may in fact be beneficial)
    Seriously? Let's just look at this with some semblance of critical thinking. Any time you put the word "may" in front of the phrase "in fact" EVERYONE's BS alarms should go off. It is impossible for anyone to prove that vaped exhaled breathe could be beneficial. This is a ridiculous assertion and should be classified as the 'misinformation' we so vehemently decry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spencer McGill View Post
    Then she started going on about how vaping indoors should be illegal.... blah blah blah.
    Geez the misinformation is terrible...
    So point me to a good study....
    And then shell probably get all antsy about the nicotine in the vape. Ah its tough.
    All my other coworkers dont care.
    I've seen a fair share of these threads. They're usually started by someone who is a former smoker but now vapes. They didn't really get into vaping because they were interested in stopping smoking, they started vaping because they could do it at their desk at work or in a store or in a restaurant or wherever smoking isn't allowed (Note OP's signature) -- They could 'get away with' vaping because there had not yet been a rule made to prevent the activity.

    Whether your other coworkers care or not, she cares. You are exposing her to something she is given little choice to avoid. She has to work in that area of the office to make her living. You can still go outside for your fix. Problem solved.

    You have the freedom to be inconsiderate, but that doesn't mean you should exercise that freedom.
    Last edited by danfinger; 08-22-2014 at 11:16 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danfinger View Post

    Whether your other coworkers care or not, she cares. You are exposing her to something she is given little choice to avoid. She has to work in that area of the office to make her living. You can still go outside for your fix. Problem solved.
    And then there are the people who see us vaping and come right up on us or otherwise contrive to have a reason to complain. It's happened to me over and over and over again, in places where vaping is allowed and outside in areas where people are allowed to smoke. BTW, I DID start vaping to quit smoking, 14 months ago, and it worked. I don't impose my vaping on anyone, but they have chosen to impose their nasty attitudes on me for it as soon as they see me doing it when they could have MORE easily left me alone. NO, they had to come right up on me and get nasty with me about it... because they are nasty people and they need an excuse to get all over someone and be nasty to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaslovik View Post
    And then there are the people who see us vaping and come right up on us or otherwise contrive to have a reason to complain. It's happened to me over and over and over again, in places where vaping is allowed and outside in areas where people are allowed to smoke. BTW, I DID start vaping to quit smoking, 14 months ago, and it worked. I don't impose my vaping on anyone, but they have chosen to impose their nasty attitudes on me for it as soon as they see me doing it when they could just as easily left me alone. NO, they had to come right up on me and get nasty with me about it... because they are nasty people.
    Here is the difference. YOU ARE CHOOSING TO VAPE.

    The woman stuck in an office and being exposed to someone else's vapor is not getting to make the choice.

    And good for you for quitting smoking. That's super. I don't think your anecdote really applies in this case. I remember seeing your original posting about this event- It seems to have really upset you. Here's a gift, I hope you feel better-

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    Quote Originally Posted by danfinger View Post
    Here is the difference. YOU ARE CHOOSING TO VAPE.

    The woman stuck in an office and being exposed to someone else's vapor is not getting to make the choice.

    And good for you for quitting smoking. That's super. I don't think your anecdote really applies in this case.
    I don't think yours does either.

    I think you are just looking to bash other vapers on behalf of anyone who hates us for vaping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMA View Post
    This is all you need to communicate to your concerned coworker:
    http://publichealth.drexel.edu/~/med...alth/ms08.ashx

    In layman's terms, you're forced to live within the same atmosphere as other people, and thus breathe in the same air they breathe out. Since vapor is no more dangerous than exhaled breath (and may in fact be beneficial) there is absolutely no objective reason to prohibit vaping anywhere. Last time I checked we can't use looks to deny service or employment to people, so the fact the vapor "looks" like smoke cannot serve as a basis for that prohibition either.
    Wait... what? Are you seriously trying to equate EEO protected classes with your "right" to blow vapor wherever you please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaslovik View Post
    I don't think yours does either.
    My what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaslovik View Post
    I think you are just looking to bash other vapers on behalf of anyone who hates us for vaping.
    Just so we're clear- you think a woman working in an office, doing her job and complaining about a coworker's vapor is THE SAME as you being chewed out by someone outside a restaurant because you were vaping? Same thing?

    I'm not bashing a vaper. I think he should vape. Just outside where it won't bother his coworker. Wouldn't you have been happier if the person complaining to you had been more considerate?

    Being considerate of others. That is what I'm advocating. Your attempt to twist it into a bash of another vaper is just that ... twisted.
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    In its most reduced form -

    Vaping on the job is Theft of company time. Nothing to do with you or your co-workers wants. You were both hired to perform a function profitable to the company and any personal activities on the clock are cutting into that profit.

    How's that for reality.

    I work for a very hard line company with a huge legal team that works to one end - Profitability above all else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PixieSkull View Post
    I'm all for keeping your smells to yourself, whether it's perfume, food, cigarettes, or vapor. Some people are sensitive to scents (myself included) and have a knee-jerk reaction (not me) to any perceived threat. Now, there are some natural extracts that are allergenic to some, but it's extremely rare through vapor. If my cubemate was burning incense or melting wax tarts, I'd freak out because I have a legit allergy to most synthetic scents. Same as if they were eating strong hamburger hotdish since the smell of cooked ground beef makes me gag.

    Now, I'm all for vaping in public, but in the case of any thrown scent, I think it's a politeness factor. I'd just start vaping less-flavored or unflavored juice to get my nic fix, because I'd expect others to adjust to my own scent issues. If I ever hear someone fake coughing in my direction, I'll do my best to make them look stupid. "It's just melon-scented vapor" *showing my e-cig mod then inhale and blow another vapor cloud.



    Uh, HWHAT? So, you didn't stink like dirty gutters so they got mad at you? That would piss me off.
    you are the very reason things like this get stalled.

    if you have a unique problem it is up to you to deal with it.
    it is not my problem.
    it is not societies problem.
    it is not the governments problem.

    it is your problem.

    your problem x 3500,000,000 millions of peoples problems is squat.
    so just stay home with your therapy animal.

    i am not being harsh.
    these small obscure populations with their unique problems have been jerking around every one for to long.

    regards
    mike

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