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    Hello everyone. I heard somewhere that Tobacco companies are moving into the ecigarette field. However they are not using brand names like Marlboro and Camel but own companies/brands like Blu. This means we could be vaping some tobacco industry product and not know it. Indeed I've heard that Phillip-Morris, the same company that owns Marlboro also owns Blu. The thought here is that these Tobacco companies are not to be trusted and could easily be putting bad things into their ejuice or maybe using hazardous materials in their products. I'm wondering if anyone knows of specific brand names or products that should be avoided. Thx.
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    Given they are under a microscope, I would have no problems trusting their e-liquid. Who makes the e-liquid for BLU? Johnson Creek- one of the largest and most respected e-juice makers in the country...

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    They do and I'd never buy one, except if I broke my ecig far from home and was thinking about smoking a cigarette instead (and at this point that'd be a cold day in hell). They also serve the purpose of getting some people started down the path of vaping and away from smoking so they aren't totally useless. But yeah, I'd never trust what's in them nor do I ever want to give them another penny of my money. Here's an article that mentions who makes what and where they are going as far as BT goes. Trendy vapor tanks muscling into e-cigarette sales | Reuters

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevegmu View Post
    Given they are under a microscope, I would have no problems trusting their e-liquid. Who makes the e-liquid for BLU? Johnson Creek- one of the largest and most respected e-juice makers in the country...
    Yes, but what Johnson Creek makes for you and what they make for BT may well be two different things. How many people actually like the taste of Blu? Not once in 45 years has BT ever given me a reason to trust them.

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    If their dabble into SNUS was any indication, I wouldn't worry. Vile stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlamingoTutu View Post
    Yes, but what Johnson Creek makes for you and what they make for BT may well be two different things. How many people actually like the taste of Blu? Not once in 45 years has BT ever given me a reason to trust them.
    I like their menthol. If they were able to make a reliable pack, I would try them again.
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    I see BT completely owning the vape industry within 10 years ... that's only if BG doesn't just hand it to them within 3 years
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    Not to put a damper on the conspiracy theorists but there is a simple reason that tobacco companies use Blu and not Marlboro as the name of their ecigs. They are not allowed to use the name marlboro in advertising in the US and they can use Blu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastSideLove View Post
    This means we could be vaping some tobacco industry product and not know it. Indeed I've heard that Phillip-Morris, the same company that owns Marlboro also owns Blu. The thought here is that these Tobacco companies are not to be trusted and could easily be putting bad things into their ejuice or maybe using hazardous materials in their products. I'm wondering if anyone knows of specific brand names or products that should be avoided. Thx.
    Blu is owned by Lorrilard, and Marlboro (unrelated company) is marketing their own brand something Ten, I think. The ones I've tried from the BT companies, I would recommend avoiding, but because they don't perform very well, rather than any concern over dangerous additives or configurations.

    I think that the basis of your question is unfair. Not that the BT companies deserve our pity or anything, but it does seem like your question is based on the assumption that the BT companies are these nefarious entities bent on wholesale murder by poisoning. Granted, their track record is not good, but I don't think that anyone has any evidence that they've ever done any of this out of pure evil.

    Looking at this issue without prejudice, I would say that the BT e-cig products should be avoided because they are ineffective, and they are ineffective because they are too safe. Their products, as a whole, use low-power, low-capacity batteries, high-resistance atomizers, and very simple juices. For example, one of the reasons that Blu cartomizers are so ineffective at getting people off cigarettes is that they are 100% VG. When trying to mass-market an e-juice, this is the safe approach since it eliminates the risk with PG-intolerant users. Unfortunately, 100% VG juice doesn't produce very much throat hit, especially in low-powered, high-resistance devices.

    While we all laud the "self-policing" of the advanced e-cig market, I think this market represents the much riskier product-set. Little to no testing is actually performed on ejuices to ensure chemical stability, propensity to allergic reactions etc. Additionally, the more advanced devices, which happen to be the same ones we find effective replacements for cigarettes, also require some care and caution to use properly and safely. Improper use of the more effective products could result in injury or property damage.

    I doubt you could get a Blu/Vuse battery to blow up on you if you tried, and likewise doubt you could poison yourself with their pre-loaded cartridges. On the other hand, a sub-ohm mech mod being fed DIY juice could possibly poison or injure the user.

    I think the BT companies will continue to take the safe route that renders their e-cig entries essentially ineffective. The advanced/refillable market is the only effective alternative to tobacco, but carriers more risk.

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    GunMoney is correct, according to an article in Bloomberg Businessweek (February 10, 2014), Altria brought Green Smoke (an e-cig company) for $110 million and have started their own brand, Mark Ten.

    Reynolds has a brand called Vuse. According to the Wall Street Journal, "in Colorado, where Vuse was introduced in July, the product gained 55 percent of the e-cigarette market in a few months."

    As pointed out in the article, if the FDA bans internet sales, these companies already have relationships with retailers and already have an established distribution line which will totally kill the little folks.
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    When does this "old enough to know better" kick in?

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