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jbbishop · 04-09-2009, 07:23 PM

Just an update. I'm currently using a mixture of about 1/2 and 1/2 of the TW 36mg Marlboro (slightly diluted with glycerine) and the JC non-pg 18mg Tennessee Flue Cured. I estimate the PG content to be around 30%. I estimate the nicotine content to be around 23mg/ml.

I'm not having any health problems. I'm still finding it difficult to get enough nicotine, especially in the morning so I think I'm vaping more than I would be otherwise.

I am on day three of not having a cigarette this time, but it was more difficult to make the switch.

The combination of the JC liquid and the glycerine still has a candy sweetness I don't find that appealing and the JC liquid is a little thin so you get some in the mouthpiece. But the mixture of the JC and the TW is a lot more palatable for me. I am looking forward to trying the JC original.

I ordered some unflavored 36mg vg from Jaaxx and some menthol crystals and will mix this up with what I have... Maybe I'll try some vanillin crystals and am considering a tobacco absolute.

jbbishop · 04-10-2009, 09:12 PM

Visited my doctor today. She seemed to like the electronic cigarette concept and was pleased I'd quit smoking tobacco. I think she's looking forward to following up with me to see how well it works.

jbbishop · 04-22-2009, 05:55 AM

Just another update. I was able to get used to this after about a day: About a 50/50 cut of TW (or Eastmall) 36mg. Marlboro and the JC Tennessee cured 18mg. non-pg and while a little weak for me nicotine wise it did indeed do the trick.

I originally complained because the Tennessee cured was too strong in flavor - as in too much like pipe tobacco for a regular smoke and tasted somewhat fruity. Then after I mixed it about half and half with TW Marlboro 36 mg. I don't believe I will EVER find any smoke juice ANYWHERE that tastes more satisfyingly like real tobacco and very pleasant to boot mixed up properly. Sad that the JC is still a little runny even when cut like that.

Then I was left with about 8ml. of TW 36mg. Marlboro and 8ml. JC TC 18mg. non-pg plus another 30ml. JC original 24mg. non-pg and this 15ml. 36mg. unflavored vg from JAAXX (It looks more like he sent me a 30ml. bottle by mistake). So I decided to mix them all up together. It feels like I'm smoking 11mg. nicotine solution and can barely hold out 'til my next bottle comes from TW on Friday. I can't get no satisfaction.

As long as there are reliable suppliers with ready made supplies, provided you can get the strength you need I can't see diluting anything with unflavored because of the loss of flavor.

The only solution for me unless I can find a way of making a suitable tobbaco flavored liquid myself (very doubtful) is this combination of the TW 36mg. and the JC non-pg TC. 24 mg. I needs my nicotine, and wants my flavor. If too high in nicotine for constant use at this level I might dilute a bit with plain glycerine particularly if a few vanillin crystals or occasional menthol may compensate for any sacrifice in flavor. A next step would be to order the unfortunately necessary pg formulation in larger quantities from Eastmall who also has that 36mg. Marlboro in 100ml for $50 + $15 shipping. Fortunately I have been able to avoid the health problems if not using the pg formulation by itself. Gotta stock up ya know. Unfortunately, Eastmall just doesn't have the parts for my super mini.

apathyps · 04-22-2009, 09:03 AM

ive got some anxiety issues, take benzo's every now and then to manage. never had a panic attack though. i know nicotine helps me maintain my anxiety levels.

i noticed that a lot of people reccomended that you lower your mg/ml content in the juice you are using, and further noticed that you had obliged.

personally, i wouldnt consider myself a heavy smoker at all. i was going through 1-3 packs a week at most. usually i would smoke about 7 cigarettes a day when i was smoking Nat Sherman MCD's. if i was smoking parliaments or camels, usually that went up to anywhere from half a pack to a pack a day.

the reason i switched to the Nat Sherman's was because they are "additive free". although they are around $8.30 a pack now, to me they were absolutely worth the price as they tasted great, had higher nicotine content than mainstream cigarettes, and had NO ADDED CHEMICALS.

since the day i received my dse901/kissbox, i haven't taken a single drag from a real cigarette.

i purchased a bunch of different flavors and various levels of juice. so far i have been using the 16mg and 18mg the most. occasionally i use the 24mg and 36mg, but i have to vape a lot less when i do this, otherwise i get a little woozy. the 36mg is great for a little nicotine buzz, or when yo0 don't have much time to vape, but its definitely too strong for me to use all day long.

sounds like you've found the right mix for yourself though.

hope it all works out for you.

mpetva · 05-05-2009, 09:27 PM

Hi,

I'm new to e-cigs and reading a lot on this forum.
I am the proud owner of a DSE 901 and have been using it for about a week.

As someone new to this forum, I find it very confusing when a lot of abbreviations are used.
I have been trying to figure out what
TW -PG - NG - JC - VG and all the others mean ????

I understand that a lot of you have been here a while, but please, when you post, keep us newbies in mind and try to use fewer abbreviations. I know it's more work, but it would really help us.

Even without all the abbreviations the world of e-cigs is confusing enough, LOL

Thanks

PS: Please do not take offense, I am just trying to point out something :-)

Tallgirl1974 · 05-05-2009, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpetva

Hi,

I have been trying to figure out what
TW -PG - NG - JC - VG and all the others mean ????

I understand that a lot of you have been here a while, but please, when you post, keep us newbies in mind and try to use fewer abbreviations. I know it's more work, but it would really help us.

Even without all the abbreviations the world of e-cigs is confusing enough, LOL
Thanks

PS: Please do not take offense, I am just trying to point out something :-)

I'm so offended. (not)
I'm a newbie here but have been reading for a long time and I STILL don't know what some mean.

Its like we get to witness the birth of a whole new slang- I keep trying to make up a word that will catch on for these things...I got nothing....

Krakkan · 05-05-2009, 11:13 PM

Also a lot of folks go through a withdrawal from the other 3999 chemicals in analogs from which have been reported anxiety nausea and nightmares. So I wouldn't doubt your panic attacks being related to the strange feeling your body is having from flushing the other carcigens. But either way see a Dr. and cut your NIC intake down.

paladinx · 05-05-2009, 11:14 PM

so , e-smoking can cause panic attacks and heart palps? That is def not good for me because I hate heart palpitations and I do have some anxiety problems. I really really wouldnt want to excacerb ate any of those problems! Any others can chime in on this e smoking and heart palps and/or anxiety??

I also find it fascinating how information continually contradicts on this forum. Everyone is saying you get too much nicotine, OD OD becareful nicotine poisening. then on the other hand, tests are saying you get 1/5th the amount. wtf is going on here? Is it really the nicotine then?? Some are saying e smoking is too weak others say its too strong.. like which is it?

lorraineg57 · 05-05-2009, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paladinx

so , e-smoking can cause panic attacks and heart palps? That is def not good for me because I hate heart palpitations and I do have some anxiety problems. I really really wouldnt want to excacerb ate any of those problems! Any others can chime in on this e smoking and heart palps and/or anxiety??

I also find it fascinating how information continually contradicts on this forum. Everyone is saying you get too much nicotine, OD OD becareful nicotine poisening. then on the other hand, tests are saying you get 1/5th the amount. wtf is going on here? Is it really the nicotine then?? Some are saying e smoking is too weak others say its too strong.. like which is it?

I have Mitral Valve Prolapse which can cause palpitations. I've noticed no problems with vaping. I do vape very little though as I'm still trying to find a mixture/taste I can live with.

I think a lot of people who are moderate/heavy smokers assume they'll need a high mg juice. Which they may, if they smoke in the same manner they smoked analogs. Take 7-8 hits, put it out. Light up another a half-hour/hour later. With vaping though, it's a new thing so they're playing with it all the time. When an analog is done, it's done. An e-cig is never "done", there's no visual trigger to get you to stop, so it's easy to just keep vaping and not be aware of how that high nic content which might be fine if smoked sporadically is building up to a level that can cause symptoms...

mjones · 05-06-2009, 12:31 AM

Check with your doctor for sure, but I take about 2 500mgs of valerian root in capsule form about every other day. Valerian is the natural substance template they produce valium with.

You can buy valerian from any Walgreens, Wally World type place. Valerian is a nature muscle relaxer and sleep aid, with many other uses. I find the the muscle cramps I get are lessened when I take a few valerian. Just make sure you don't drink alot with valerian, as it can give your liver a workout. I personally find valerian very helpful when I need it from time to time. I would deff ask your doctor if you are ok to take valerian first just to be safe. It takes 24mg juice to really get me to a stop point, I find the 18mg I suck up like a hoover most the time.

04-22-2009, 05:55 AM	#33
jbbishop Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SLC, UT U.S.A. Posts: 152	Just another update. I was able to get used to this after about a day: About a 50/50 cut of TW (or Eastmall) 36mg. Marlboro and the JC Tennessee cured 18mg. non-pg and while a little weak for me nicotine wise it did indeed do the trick. I originally complained because the Tennessee cured was too strong in flavor - as in too much like pipe tobacco for a regular smoke and tasted somewhat fruity. Then after I mixed it about half and half with TW Marlboro 36 mg. I don't believe I will EVER find any smoke juice ANYWHERE that tastes more satisfyingly like real tobacco and very pleasant to boot mixed up properly. Sad that the JC is still a little runny even when cut like that. Then I was left with about 8ml. of TW 36mg. Marlboro and 8ml. JC TC 18mg. non-pg plus another 30ml. JC original 24mg. non-pg and this 15ml. 36mg. unflavored vg from JAAXX (It looks more like he sent me a 30ml. bottle by mistake). So I decided to mix them all up together. It feels like I'm smoking 11mg. nicotine solution and can barely hold out 'til my next bottle comes from TW on Friday. I can't get no satisfaction. As long as there are reliable suppliers with ready made supplies, provided you can get the strength you need I can't see diluting anything with unflavored because of the loss of flavor. The only solution for me unless I can find a way of making a suitable tobbaco flavored liquid myself (very doubtful) is this combination of the TW 36mg. and the JC non-pg TC. 24 mg. I needs my nicotine, and wants my flavor. If too high in nicotine for constant use at this level I might dilute a bit with plain glycerine particularly if a few vanillin crystals or occasional menthol may compensate for any sacrifice in flavor. A next step would be to order the unfortunately necessary pg formulation in larger quantities from Eastmall who also has that 36mg. Marlboro in 100ml for $50 + $15 shipping. Fortunately I have been able to avoid the health problems if not using the pg formulation by itself. Gotta stock up ya know. Unfortunately, Eastmall just doesn't have the parts for my super mini. Last edited by jbbishop; 04-22-2009 at 07:33 AM.

04-22-2009, 09:03 AM	#34
apathyps Full Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Connecticut Posts: 59	ive got some anxiety issues, take benzo's every now and then to manage. never had a panic attack though. i know nicotine helps me maintain my anxiety levels. i noticed that a lot of people reccomended that you lower your mg/ml content in the juice you are using, and further noticed that you had obliged. personally, i wouldnt consider myself a heavy smoker at all. i was going through 1-3 packs a week at most. usually i would smoke about 7 cigarettes a day when i was smoking Nat Sherman MCD's. if i was smoking parliaments or camels, usually that went up to anywhere from half a pack to a pack a day. the reason i switched to the Nat Sherman's was because they are "additive free". although they are around $8.30 a pack now, to me they were absolutely worth the price as they tasted great, had higher nicotine content than mainstream cigarettes, and had NO ADDED CHEMICALS. since the day i received my dse901/kissbox, i haven't taken a single drag from a real cigarette. i purchased a bunch of different flavors and various levels of juice. so far i have been using the 16mg and 18mg the most. occasionally i use the 24mg and 36mg, but i have to vape a lot less when i do this, otherwise i get a little woozy. the 36mg is great for a little nicotine buzz, or when yo0 don't have much time to vape, but its definitely too strong for me to use all day long. sounds like you've found the right mix for yourself though. hope it all works out for you. __________________ Last edited by apathyps; 04-22-2009 at 09:06 AM.

05-05-2009, 11:13 PM	#37
Krakkan USA Supplier Forum Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 1,376	Also a lot of folks go through a withdrawal from the other 3999 chemicals in analogs from which have been reported anxiety nausea and nightmares. So I wouldn't doubt your panic attacks being related to the strange feeling your body is having from flushing the other carcigens. But either way see a Dr. and cut your NIC intake down. __________________ ►►TrueSmoker \| DRAGON M401 \| PHOENIX M401 \| 15% OFF TRUEVIP◄◄

05-05-2009, 11:14 PM	#38
paladinx ECF Veteran Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 351	so , e-smoking can cause panic attacks and heart palps? That is def not good for me because I hate heart palpitations and I do have some anxiety problems. I really really wouldnt want to excacerb ate any of those problems! Any others can chime in on this e smoking and heart palps and/or anxiety?? I also find it fascinating how information continually contradicts on this forum. Everyone is saying you get too much nicotine, OD OD becareful nicotine poisening. then on the other hand, tests are saying you get 1/5th the amount. wtf is going on here? Is it really the nicotine then?? Some are saying e smoking is too weak others say its too strong.. like which is it? Last edited by paladinx; 05-05-2009 at 11:16 PM.

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04-09-2009, 07:23 PM	#31
jbbishop Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SLC, UT U.S.A. Posts: 152	Just an update. I'm currently using a mixture of about 1/2 and 1/2 of the TW 36mg Marlboro (slightly diluted with glycerine) and the JC non-pg 18mg Tennessee Flue Cured. I estimate the PG content to be around 30%. I estimate the nicotine content to be around 23mg/ml. I'm not having any health problems. I'm still finding it difficult to get enough nicotine, especially in the morning so I think I'm vaping more than I would be otherwise. I am on day three of not having a cigarette this time, but it was more difficult to make the switch. The combination of the JC liquid and the glycerine still has a candy sweetness I don't find that appealing and the JC liquid is a little thin so you get some in the mouthpiece. But the mixture of the JC and the TW is a lot more palatable for me. I am looking forward to trying the JC original. I ordered some unflavored 36mg vg from Jaaxx and some menthol crystals and will mix this up with what I have... Maybe I'll try some vanillin crystals and am considering a tobacco absolute.

04-10-2009, 09:12 PM	#32
jbbishop Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SLC, UT U.S.A. Posts: 152	Visited my doctor today. She seemed to like the electronic cigarette concept and was pleased I'd quit smoking tobacco. I think she's looking forward to following up with me to see how well it works.

05-05-2009, 09:27 PM	#35
mpetva Super Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Posts: 396	Hi, I'm new to e-cigs and reading a lot on this forum. I am the proud owner of a DSE 901 and have been using it for about a week. As someone new to this forum, I find it very confusing when a lot of abbreviations are used. I have been trying to figure out what TW -PG - NG - JC - VG and all the others mean ???? I understand that a lot of you have been here a while, but please, when you post, keep us newbies in mind and try to use fewer abbreviations. I know it's more work, but it would really help us. Even without all the abbreviations the world of e-cigs is confusing enough, LOL Thanks PS: Please do not take offense, I am just trying to point out something :-)

05-06-2009, 12:31 AM	#40
mjones Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 157	Check with your doctor for sure, but I take about 2 500mgs of valerian root in capsule form about every other day. Valerian is the natural substance template they produce valium with. You can buy valerian from any Walgreens, Wally World type place. Valerian is a nature muscle relaxer and sleep aid, with many other uses. I find the the muscle cramps I get are lessened when I take a few valerian. Just make sure you don't drink alot with valerian, as it can give your liver a workout. I personally find valerian very helpful when I need it from time to time. I would deff ask your doctor if you are ok to take valerian first just to be safe. It takes 24mg juice to really get me to a stop point, I find the 18mg I suck up like a hoover most the time.