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Doc · 05-06-2009, 04:11 AM

In regards to the new evidence that nicotine may not be absorbed readily while vapping, consider the possibility of nicotine withdrawal despite a high nic dosed liq. Try a nicotine free liquid and use a patch or gum while vapping if symptoms persist (after consulting your doctor of course).

Elle · 05-06-2009, 06:37 AM

to the OP- i know what you're going through- panic attacks are no f*#&n picnic.

lowering your nic content i think is a good start, and also see if youre taking in too many stimulants, especially caffiene (coffee, soda, otc painkillers, etc.). make sure you get good sleep at night and get enough to eat.

being prone to high anxiety we have to be more careful about the most simple things

Tallgirl1974 · 05-06-2009, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paladinx

so , e-smoking can cause panic attacks and heart palps? That is def not good for me because I hate heart palpitations and I do have some anxiety problems. I really really wouldnt want to excacerb ate any of those problems! Any others can chime in on this e smoking and heart palps and/or anxiety??

I also find it fascinating how information continually contradicts on this forum. Everyone is saying you get too much nicotine, OD OD becareful nicotine poisening. then on the other hand, tests are saying you get 1/5th the amount. wtf is going on here? Is it really the nicotine then?? Some are saying e smoking is too weak others say its too strong.. like which is it?

I had frequent heart palpitations on cigarettes- and they say its a side effect of nicotine (smoking)...anxiety issues can stem from *lack of nicotine- its proven to calm us down, and its proven that it helps us deal with stress. Its *why we are addicted to it. (Duke just finished a study that implies dropping liquid nicotine in a drink before a test can improve test results, calm a person down, and even cheer them up.) Just as I cant pick up a pack of marlboro reds and start puffing my head off without getting sick, you cant just have a one size fits all vapor. It seems logical that we will all have different nic needs, doesnt it? Our habits are all so unique.

rescueme · 05-06-2009, 04:30 PM

Maybe someone can help me. I am also a newbie. I wan to try the Johnson Creek sample however I am afraid the 18mg is to strong for me. How many drops of the nonpg would I add to get it to about 11mg level or should I just add distilled water. I am so confused. I have been experiencing headaches from the pg so I figured I would try the non pg. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

paladinx · 05-06-2009, 07:32 PM

I realize everyone is diff with diff nicotine needs. But it seems like thats not the only variable with this. We really do not seem to know what or how much we are getting with the vaping. Someone had a good point, with cigarettes, U kind of know what ur getting. Cigs have similar nicotine levels and when a cigarette is done it is done, like someone else mentioned. If you are a light smoker, then after one cigarette you might not need one for a long time, a heavy smoker will light up again, but the nicotine is consistent. With this you choose how much, and how long you vape for. Not only that, the sensations and feelings of it seems to be different then smoking, so u really never know when you are satisfied.
on top of that no one knows exactly how much nicotine they are getting.

Liberate_Yourself · 05-06-2009, 07:55 PM

1. Discontinue use immediately and go see a doctor.

2. 36mg is insanely high, no matter how many cigs you were smoking per day. I would start with 11mg, and if that does not float your boat, move up to 24mg or a mix of the 11mg and 24mg (18mg roughly).. either way, start low and gradually increase until you hit your sweet-spot.

3. It could also be withdrawal symptoms from the thousands of other chemicals that are in regular cigarettes, that you are not getting from your eCig. The only way to find out is to stop smoking cigs altogether (both analog and eCigs), and if you get the panic attacks again, I think you may have found the culprit.

4. It could be something inside your head, or another more serious medical condition. The only way to find out is to talk to a medical professional.

Please go and talk to a doctor.

jbbishop · 05-12-2009, 10:28 PM

Yeah, the 5 minutes a doctor spends with you is about worth as much as spending a buck on the fortune telling machine.

But if you're having problems discontinue and if you consider trying again use a lower dosage i.e. 18mg or 24mg. I don't have any problems with the 24mg. vg. I'm still having panic and anxiety problems off and on in the case when I'm not on my medication with as much as a 50% solution of the 36mg. pg. mixed with the 24 mg. vg. I'm strongly unconvinced this is solely due to the nicotine, for I can go smoke a regular cigarette at these points with no additional problems while just a single inhalation from the e-cigarette will send it over the edge. I'm still of the belief that for me the panic attacks has something to do also with the pg, but it is also better to "adjust" to a lower nicotine content and make do with it as it may be that in the pure form this is significantly a part of the problem.

taz3cat · 05-13-2009, 03:07 AM

I read a study on in the National library of Medicine the other day and it said they think that anxiety attacks are the first' real early, signs of heart trouble. I was having panic attacks before they finally decide that my artery had gone bad from inflammation, Don't have much junk in my artery's.

paladinx · 05-25-2009, 07:23 PM

[i]I hope people here who might have anxiety take taz's comment with a grain of salt. I honestly think it is a very dumb thing to say to people who have anxiety to put more fear in their head. The truth of the matter is, Most doctors will tell you, most people with anxiety who believe they have heart problems or other problems have nothing wrong with them. Anxiety is usually mental not physically related. in some cases those who have physical problems might trigger panic attacks because they are prone to anxiety. But as far as anxiety being a predictor to disease, that is really rubbish. The thing anxiety people must becareful about, is that doctors might be quick to misdiagnose anxiety patients. There was a big study done on how doctors were diagnosing anxiety patients with mitral valve prolapse, and it turned out to be a conspiracy, and that most of these people did not even have the condition. They went from saying 40 percent of the population had MVP to only 3 percent because of these reasons

Oh and ps, My whole family has a history of anxiety disorder, I think everyone in my family thought they had heart trouble or brain tumors or whatever, none of them had any real physical problems.

waywardsister · 05-26-2009, 12:36 AM

*jumps in to thread* As a former panic attack sufferer, I'll just add this briefly - sometimes, it absolutely is physiological. Gluten (in wheat) is a huge factor for some people. It was for me

*jumps back out*

05-06-2009, 06:37 AM	#42
Elle Super Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 402	to the OP- i know what you're going through- panic attacks are no f#&n picnic. lowering your nic content i think is a good start, and also see if youre taking in too many stimulants, especially caffiene (coffee, soda, otc painkillers, etc.). make sure you get good sleep at night and get enough to eat. being prone to high anxiety we have to be more careful about the most simple things __________________ ~To Die By Your Side; the Pleasure, the Privilege is Mine...*~

05-06-2009, 07:55 PM	#46
Liberate_Yourself Supplier Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: U.S. Posts: 510	1. Discontinue use immediately and go see a doctor. 2. 36mg is insanely high, no matter how many cigs you were smoking per day. I would start with 11mg, and if that does not float your boat, move up to 24mg or a mix of the 11mg and 24mg (18mg roughly).. either way, start low and gradually increase until you hit your sweet-spot. 3. It could also be withdrawal symptoms from the thousands of other chemicals that are in regular cigarettes, that you are not getting from your eCig. The only way to find out is to stop smoking cigs altogether (both analog and eCigs), and if you get the panic attacks again, I think you may have found the culprit. 4. It could be something inside your head, or another more serious medical condition. The only way to find out is to talk to a medical professional. Please go and talk to a doctor. __________________ http://www.smokeliberation.com/webimages/ATOM.jpg

05-13-2009, 03:07 AM	#48
taz3cat ECF Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Port Arthur, Texas Posts: 1,129	I read a study on in the National library of Medicine the other day and it said they think that anxiety attacks are the first' real early, signs of heart trouble. I was having panic attacks before they finally decide that my artery had gone bad from inflammation, Don't have much junk in my artery's. __________________ actions speak louder than words, do a iittle everyday to save our PV's Last edited by taz3cat; 05-13-2009 at 03:17 AM.

05-26-2009, 12:36 AM	#50
waywardsister Full Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 114	jumps in to thread As a former panic attack sufferer, I'll just add this briefly - sometimes, it absolutely is physiological. Gluten (in wheat) is a huge factor for some people. It was for me jumps back out __________________ Prodigy v1 w/901 attys

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05-06-2009, 04:11 AM	#41
Doc Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Gainesville, FL Posts: 56	In regards to the new evidence that nicotine may not be absorbed readily while vapping, consider the possibility of nicotine withdrawal despite a high nic dosed liq. Try a nicotine free liquid and use a patch or gum while vapping if symptoms persist (after consulting your doctor of course).

05-06-2009, 04:30 PM	#44
rescueme Full Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sarasota, Florida Posts: 22	Maybe someone can help me. I am also a newbie. I wan to try the Johnson Creek sample however I am afraid the 18mg is to strong for me. How many drops of the nonpg would I add to get it to about 11mg level or should I just add distilled water. I am so confused. I have been experiencing headaches from the pg so I figured I would try the non pg. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

05-06-2009, 07:32 PM	#45
paladinx ECF Veteran Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 351	I realize everyone is diff with diff nicotine needs. But it seems like thats not the only variable with this. We really do not seem to know what or how much we are getting with the vaping. Someone had a good point, with cigarettes, U kind of know what ur getting. Cigs have similar nicotine levels and when a cigarette is done it is done, like someone else mentioned. If you are a light smoker, then after one cigarette you might not need one for a long time, a heavy smoker will light up again, but the nicotine is consistent. With this you choose how much, and how long you vape for. Not only that, the sensations and feelings of it seems to be different then smoking, so u really never know when you are satisfied. on top of that no one knows exactly how much nicotine they are getting.

05-12-2009, 10:28 PM	#47
jbbishop Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SLC, UT U.S.A. Posts: 152	Yeah, the 5 minutes a doctor spends with you is about worth as much as spending a buck on the fortune telling machine. But if you're having problems discontinue and if you consider trying again use a lower dosage i.e. 18mg or 24mg. I don't have any problems with the 24mg. vg. I'm still having panic and anxiety problems off and on in the case when I'm not on my medication with as much as a 50% solution of the 36mg. pg. mixed with the 24 mg. vg. I'm strongly unconvinced this is solely due to the nicotine, for I can go smoke a regular cigarette at these points with no additional problems while just a single inhalation from the e-cigarette will send it over the edge. I'm still of the belief that for me the panic attacks has something to do also with the pg, but it is also better to "adjust" to a lower nicotine content and make do with it as it may be that in the pure form this is significantly a part of the problem.

05-25-2009, 07:23 PM	#49
paladinx ECF Veteran Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 351	[i]I hope people here who might have anxiety take taz's comment with a grain of salt. I honestly think it is a very dumb thing to say to people who have anxiety to put more fear in their head. The truth of the matter is, Most doctors will tell you, most people with anxiety who believe they have heart problems or other problems have nothing wrong with them. Anxiety is usually mental not physically related. in some cases those who have physical problems might trigger panic attacks because they are prone to anxiety. But as far as anxiety being a predictor to disease, that is really rubbish. The thing anxiety people must becareful about, is that doctors might be quick to misdiagnose anxiety patients. There was a big study done on how doctors were diagnosing anxiety patients with mitral valve prolapse, and it turned out to be a conspiracy, and that most of these people did not even have the condition. They went from saying 40 percent of the population had MVP to only 3 percent because of these reasons Oh and ps, My whole family has a history of anxiety disorder, I think everyone in my family thought they had heart trouble or brain tumors or whatever, none of them had any real physical problems.