Feeling Strange and Major Panic Attacks

[taz3cat]

What are pre-heart attack symptoms?

Pre-heart attack or prodromal symptoms are symptoms that occur before a heart attack, generally from about 4 to 6 months to 1 week before (though some people report these symptoms up to 2 years before their heart attack).

Common pre-heart attack symptoms include 5:

•Unusual fatigue
•Sleep disturbance
•Shortness of breath
•Chest pain
•Indigestion
•Anxiety
•Pain in shoulder blade or upper back


http://www.hearthealthywomen.org/ind...on=com_content

[paladinx]

Once again what you are saying is very misleading. There are many more people who have anxiety who think they have a heart problem when they DO NOT, than there are anxiety sufferers who have heart problems with anxiety being a predicting factor. I think any nurse, EMT, doctor would verify this.

Thats like saying dizziness is a symptom of a heart attack. Sure it can be, but the majority of dizziness cases are not related to heart attacks.

So why even make this kind of point to people who already are nervous and worried or who have anxiety disorder on this thread. I think its retarded. Most anxiety sufferers need reassurance not putting out of context fears out there. So if you do have anxiety, The odds of you having it due to some kind of health problem, are much lower than the most common reason of it being genetic, or a psychological reason.

[taz3cat]

I may be retarded but, I am not spouting my personal opinion. I provided the link so people could read the rest of the information.

People who have anxiety disorders know that is what they have and have been check by their doctors.

People who suddenly develop anxiety need to see a doctor, is the only point I really want to make.

[paladinx]

I am not spouting my personal opinion. I cannot send a link to validate what I am saying because there are a billion links on anxiety disorder. Anyone who is interested just research anxiety disorder, or health anxiety and you will find the answers.

All I am doing is elaborating on your blanket statement because it can be interpreted in a way it shouldnt. Im not really arguing with you, you have a personal experience that shows this could happen. All i am saying is that if you look at all of anxiety sufferers, anxiety is USUALLY not the result of a medical problem, but more of a hormonal, genetic, pyschological one.

[ladyraj]

Originally Posted by paladinx

Once again what you are saying is very misleading. There are many more people who have anxiety who think they have a heart problem when they DO NOT, than there are anxiety sufferers who have heart problems with anxiety being a predicting factor. I think any nurse, EMT, doctor would verify this.

Thats like saying dizziness is a symptom of a heart attack. Sure it can be, but the majority of dizziness cases are not related to heart attacks.

So why even make this kind of point to people who already are nervous and worried or who have anxiety disorder on this thread. I think its retarded. Most anxiety sufferers need reassurance not putting out of context fears out there. So if you do have anxiety, The odds of you having it due to some kind of health problem, are much lower than the most common reason of it being genetic, or a psychological reason.

The biggest symptom to rule out in a diagnosis of heart attack is anxiety and panic attack. There is a tiny case to be made for mitral valve prolapse as an organic system underlying anxiety but those cases are few and far between. The literature is very clear...the more somatic complaints one reports...the more likely their diagnosis is complicated by anxiety or misplaced fear wrongly associated with mundane events. Anxiety is part of the human condition and is natural in it's pure form.

[paladinx]

I really believe the truth about mvp and anxiety as being linked has to do with the exploitation of anxiety patients. There is a big reason the figures went from 30 percent to 3 percent. It means many were misdiagnosed, and many of those misdiagnosed were anxiety sufferers. So it became almost a symptom of MVP. I think these people continually went to the ER thinking they had a heart problem and were searching for an answer, and these doctors gave them one and did what they do best, prescribe some pills.

its almost like what dentists have done with wisdom teeth. Any excuse to pull t hem, even if it was not necessary they will pull them. They also used to do the same thing with people tonsils, but not anymore.

[edlogic]

Originally Posted by Faethe

I got some 36mg and put it in my 510.

Brilliant.

Never doing that again. You could have popped my head with a pin.

Originally Posted by strayling

The thing about high strength liquid is that even that won't provide all the physical cues you get from smoking an analog, so you have to relearn what your body is telling you. You'll get a nicotine buzz, sure, but your body won't protest and say "enough" by making you immediately feel queasy and "smoked out". It's hard to describe, but take it easy on the high strength and you'll soon know to recognise how you feel when you've vaped enough.

"strayling"

Originally Posted by Faethe

You WILL feel it if it's too high. No other way to explain it. Think of it this way: have you ever smoked an unfiltered cigarette or inhaled cigar smoke into your lungs? You know like right now whether you are comfortable with it. No two ways about it.

Low is good. This way you can also cut it with some store bought PG or VG if it's not. Or you know what to buy next time, for sure.

<- roger and roger and roger that er those 3 quotes

haha - i got my 510 and a bunch of juice about 3 weeks ago - i started out with the high strength nic juice and got a buzz right away - way too much -
that surprised me because i smoke bugler non filter - heavy tar - heavy nicotine and about 20 or 30 a day for more than 10 years - regular high filter analogs for 25 years before that - ( winston - camel etc )
so after 35 years of smoking high tar / nicotine cigs
the 36 mg juice was too much -

that makes me think that there are a lot of variables about each person - maybe some people absorb much more of the nicotine from the vapors than other people etc - i cut my juice with glycerin and 24 mg juice and now i vape that for a while then after a spell i vape even lower cut juice so that i don't keep vaping too much nicotine - so far since those first couple of days i haven't gotten the nic buzz any more and sometimes it takes 30 minutes of vaping to get enough nic but even so - after those 30 minutes and i still want to vape - i go to the low nic level juice for a while

haven't even hardly wanted an analog yet - a couple of times i just wondered how it would taste but then i think - i smoked them for 35 years - i guess i know how much i ended up hating them - so i don't even think about it any more - i just start vaping again

Originally Posted by paladinx

Once again what you are saying is very misleading. There are many more people who have anxiety who think they have a heart problem when they DO NOT, than there are anxiety sufferers who have heart problems with anxiety being a predicting factor. I think any nurse, EMT, doctor would verify this.

Thats like saying dizziness is a symptom of a heart attack. Sure it can be, but the majority of dizziness cases are not related to heart attacks.

So why even make this kind of point to people who already are nervous and worried or who have anxiety disorder on this thread. I think its retarded. Most anxiety sufferers need reassurance not putting out of context fears out there. So if you do have anxiety, The odds of you having it due to some kind of health problem, are much lower than the most common reason of it being genetic, or a psychological reason.

roger that there paladinx - have ecigs will vape em -

i am 52 now - but 30 years ago when i was in my 20 ' s - for several months i had trouble with panic attacks - and for no known reason at all - no heath issues ever - but after maybe about a year - i don't remember how long i had them but they went away and i only have about 1 or 2 a year now sometimes

so i agree with you that for the super vast majority of people - there is NO reason at all to think that your heart is bad or going bad - even though that is exactly what it feels like - that you are going to drop dead or something external is going to happen - that is the key to knowing that it is not your body that is really in trouble - because in my case - i felt like EITHER i was going to drop dead myself - OR something external was about to happen - there you go - the clue that it is mostly in your mind - if it was all about your body being bad then it would only be a panic about your health and you would not be thinking about external events causing your demise - at least that is what i experienced - funny that i never thought it through before - it is one of those things that after it goes away - you never want to think about it again

[karenwest1961]

If you are predisposed to panic disorder, 36 mg is way too effin' high for you. Chit, 36 mg, in my opinion, should not even be freakin' out there. But it is. So it is up to the rest of us vapers to pray that somebody is not going to abuse the stuff and make headline news. Sure as chit way to get our stuff banned NOW.

[mmosaad]

Analogue cigarettes contains MAOI "mono amino oxidize inhibitor" which when discontinued smoking tobacco can lead to depressive state, i felt that first week when vaping and i got the answer, its St.John's wart, it will relive that depressive feeling and it is a natural herb "imagine what else they add to analogue cigarettes!!!!!!"

[gashin]

I find that a cortisol controller will help depression - also try ......... (for obvious reasons and because it stimulates growth in some emotional regions of the brain) and a testosterone booster (or steroids ) because smoking does depress normal testosterone levels for a long time and testosterone is necessary to feel really good.

Originally Posted by mmosaad

Analogue cigarettes contains MAOI "mono amino oxidize inhibitor" which when discontinued smoking tobacco can lead to depressive state, i felt that first week when vaping and i got the answer, its St.John's wart, it will relive that depressive feeling and it is a natural herb "imagine what else they add to analogue cigarettes!!!!!!"