Where's the Juice?

**karma2burn** · 08-31-2009, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by edlogic

same here - i vaped for several weeks with no problem then bam

now if i even try a few puffs from the ecig and wait about 30 mins or so - i start to feel it slightly - so i don't do very many puffs at a time

and it is not like i am sitting around waiting for it and thinking about it

i can take a few puffs then go out to eat or something and not even be thinking about it at all then i start feeling a little nauseous and foggy headed - not very much - just enough to notice then i realize that it is the beginnings of the panic attack type feelings that i get if i vape the ecig

so for now i mostly stick to vaping the tobacco and only occassionally - i puff the ecigs

i have a bunch of juice that i should go on the thread for selling or trading and get rid of it because i am never going to use it all

i got about 5 or 6 different juices from different places and most of it is camel or turkish or tobacco flavor - but i do have a couple of cherry and vanilla flavors

i have over 200 ml of juice - anyone can pm me if interested

That's funny because I started to do the same. After I had the panic attack I thought it might be related to the pv so I would only do it here and there but I guess it was enough to perpetuate the symptoms. I have a ton of equip and juice that I'll probably be getting rid of shortly as well. It's a bummer too. I was enjoying it but there isn't anything enjoyable enough to continue doing if it makes me feel like I have the past few days.

**breno** · 09-01-2009, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by LuckySevens4U

Hi, most ciggys are known to have about 1 mg of nic per ciggy

What most are saying here is that for example, you were a pack a day smoker 20 ciggys and you use the 11 medium liquid. 40 drops a day of 11 would be equivalent to a pack a day ciggys.

So if you smoked half a pack and you bought the LOW, 6 mg's something like 20 drops a day would be LESS than you were smoking of 10 cigs a day. I can't figure it all out completely it gets confusing, but you are being ultra conservative. You will be able to vape a lot more of the 6 to equal 1/2 a pack of ciggys a day.

I vape LESS than 40 drops a day of 11 because I cut that in half most the time, so I KNOW I have reduced my nic intake, HOWEVER, vaping seems to give you a higher nic feel than cigs because it doesn't have all the chemicals in it to counter off set the nic. Some of those chemicals would make you tired so you wouldn't get as jacked smoking 1 ciggy as you do with the vaping.

I personally feel some people just vape WAY too high and don't need to on the mgs.

When you say 1 mg for analogus, is this what you inhale?
I was wondering if 1mg was in the tobacco but that some of it gets burnt so it is no longer nicotine, thus you inhale less.

OK I got an immediate response from myself and Mr Google

In tobacco smoke, nicotine "rides" on small particles of tar. When the smoke with this nicotine/tar mixture gets to the lungs, the nicotine is absorbed quickly - nicotine reaches the brain about eight seconds after the smoke is inhaled. American cigarettes contain about 9 mg of nicotine, but because much of the nicotine is burned off, a smoker gets about 1 mg of nicotine in every cigarette. Nicotine reaches the central nervous system in about 3-5 minutes when tobacco is chewed.

So 1 mg is correct!!

But just think of the amount of nicotine I have burnt!!!

A point I might add is that your lungs might absorb more vaping becasue they are full of tar and crap which might mean you absorb less?

**karma2burn** · 09-04-2009, 04:28 PM

Just a quick update, I stopped using my ecig for about a week and bought a pack of analogs. I said to myself after I finish the pack I'm not buying anymore. So last night I had run out and was fiending a bit, so I decided to try using this 18 mg Espresso from johnson creek that a friend gave me. I only maybe took 10 - 12 puffs over the course of 3 hours. And almost right away I started getting the spacy\foggy feeling and it's continued up until now.

I think it has to be some kind of reaction with PG. I have some 11 mg juice coming but I think that's going to be a waste as I expect the same thing to happen. The only recourse is to try some VG based stuff or just try to quit everything cold turkey.

**Grammie** · 09-04-2009, 05:57 PM

VG should help, if not, I have no clue. Maybe someone more experience with e-cigs can chime in here.

**bitey** · 09-04-2009, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Grammie

VG should help, if not, I have no clue. Maybe someone more experience with e-cigs can chime in here.

A number of us have had unacceptable reactions to PG and switching to VG does the trick. However, you have to be careful if you want to totally avoid any PG because many of the places that sell VG based e-liquids have a small amount of PG in the flavoring. Some people are not bothered by this. I am.

You should try some VG based juice; but if you still have any problem, PM me and I will give you the very limited list of where and what I have found that I can vape because it contains no PG at all.

**karma2burn** · 09-07-2009, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by bitey

A number of us have had unacceptable reactions to PG and switching to VG does the trick. However, you have to be careful if you want to totally avoid any PG because many of the places that sell VG based e-liquids have a small amount of PG in the flavoring. Some people are not bothered by this. I am.

You should try some VG based juice; but if you still have any problem, PM me and I will give you the very limited list of where and what I have found that I can vape because it contains no PG at all.

I have some 11 mg pg based stuff coming hopefully tomorrow. I'll give that a shot and if that doesn't work I'm going to try the VG based juices. I'll definitely PM you for that list.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of reactions did you have to the PG based juices? Did they manifest themselves right away or did it take a while?

**karma2burn** · 09-11-2009, 05:01 PM

I'm just keeping this thread updated for other people who might be having the same issues.

Got my 11 mg PG based juice the other day and while it took a little longer than previously, I still am getting the spacey\foggy effects.

Pretty sure it's the PG now. I have some VG juice coming soon. I know there is a little bit of PG because of the flavoring but I don't think that will really cause a problem for me. If it does, I'll try 100% VG.

**jbbishop** · 09-13-2009, 04:49 PM

Someone help me out here. I was laid off & just got back to work doing help desk support so I haven't been able to buy supplies for further tests until now.

Now I discover that Johnson Creek no longer sells non-pg (vg only) juice but a "reduced pg" formulation. Predictably, the same seems to be true with David at EastMall. I've tried a mixture of TW which was, I believe, about 80% pg mixed 50/50 with the non-pg formulation with a net pg content of only 40% and still got that horrible brain fog and extreme alarming panic attacks after just about 1.5 days usage. Due to issues with low or questionable nicotine content and flavor issues with the supplies I purchased previously, I ended up mixing all my supplies and never had a chance to properly test the vg only formulation. Preliminary tests suggested this would have worked just fine without these problems but I needed at least 24mg. nicotine content.

I've sent an email inquiry to both Johnson Creek and David at EastMall to find out what's going on here. I lost one e-cig and my two other batteries seem to be misfiring, so I was about to order some new batteries. The only formulation that seemed to be viable for me was the 24mg. original Johnson Creek smoke juice and I had not yet had a chance to test this.

Where is there a non-pg (vg only) formulation available now?

JEFF