Feeling Strange and Major Panic Attacks

[jbbishop]

This product is amazing in that I was able to immediately quit using cigarettes.

No problems of any kind for most of the first two days. On the second day, in the late afternoon, I mixed in maybe 20% glycerine from the local brew shop to cut the strong TW (36mg) and into the evening (and moreso late that night) I started having problems with feeling panicky. A little rum didn't help much and I don't have any valium right now. So I crashed out for about 6 hours. When I got up and tried to use the e-cig this morning I promtly had a HUGE MAJOR PANIC ATTACK which I just don't normally get anymore. I majorly restricted my vaping but the panicky state continued throughout the day and into the afternoon when another attack began to loom...

So, I stopped using the e-cig at all about 5 hours ago (meaning I've had to start smoking again) and gradually the panic state has mostly dissipated over this time.

I know that most of you are going to say IT'S TOO MUCH NICOTINE. That may be partly true, but I'm convinced that's not the only issue.

We think I have Fibromyalgia. Naturally, I thought I would be one of the lucky ones who'd have a problem with the PG because of this if not skin allergies on top of that.

The first thing I did is to Google lactic acid and panic disorder and here's some basic findings:

Studies have shown that high accumulations of lactic acid in the body can increase anxiety and cause panic attacks.

Another study seems to confirm a metabolic hypothesis: excess lactic acid is caused by an underlying defect in an individual's metabolism, suggesting that people with panic disorder have an abnormality in how they produce or clear lactic acid in the brain.

This may give me some new insight into my health problem, but it is confounding.

The PG would seem to be a likely candidate. It could be reasoned that it was all just building up in my system for a couple of days. Nevertheless, there also appeared to be a direct correlation with the use of the (now contaminated) liquid which had the added glycerine. I've used glycerine without any problems in making wine, wine coolers and liqueurs for example, but I've never breathed it into my lungs before.

While looking into this I discovered that blood serum levels of glycerol are positively correllated with cardiac arrythmia so a head's up on that.

Since I need to order some fresh supplies and won't have any medication to treat panic attacks until April 10th I believe this is going to take me a couple of weeks to sort it all out. I'll try to keep y'all posted.

[LuckySevens4U]

Dude, hint #1 UNO, stop vapin the 36 that's 90% of your battle there. That's just TOO high. You really need less high mgs then you think you do. I smoked a pack a day and I don't TOUCH anything over 11 mgs straight and most the time I cut that. Back wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy down dude that should help.

[Duckies]

1. Stop vaping immediately and see your Doc.

2. I had been smoking full menthol 2pk (40 analogue) per day for over 20 years and 18mg gives me the shakes.

3. Stop vaping immediately and see your Doc.

4. This may be a VP vs PG issue (allergies triggered/inflamed by Fibro)

5. Stop vaping immediately and see your Doc.

Did I mention 'stop vaping immediately and see your Doc'?

[Duckies]

Dude, hint #1 UNO, stop vapin the 36 that's 90% of your battle there. That's just TOO high. You really need less high mgs then you think you do. I smoked a pack a day and I don't TOUCH anything over 11 mgs straight and most the time I cut that. Back wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy down dude that should help.

Indeed. This is a prime example as to why the FDA is going to ..... can this whole process. 36mg should only be used if your s/n starts with Nico.

Other than that, cut (dilute) it.

[Variety202]

hello! I am new here and am waiting for my fisrt e cigarette to arrive in the mail.
I have some questions though.
I suffer from a anxiety disorder and have some sensitivities to caffine and nicotine. I am a smoker (i should quit due to my disorder because it can aggrivate it sometimes) an I love nicotine. I'm not a full blown chain smoker though i smoke about a half a pack a day maybe a pack. My brand is camel turkish silvers. I was wondering if anyone knows how much nic is in a camel. I was also wondering how many drops of e juice should i start off with. I ordered the low apple from TW. Maybe 1 or 2 drops to start out with? Will 1 or 2 drops be enough to moisten a empty cartridge and not burn out the atomizer?
I am looking forward to having a good experience with the e cigarette but at the same time a little nervous. I don't want to over do it and get sick.
Also if i decided to dilute my drops how should i go about it in a safe manner.
Any responses will be greatly appreciated.

[LuckySevens4U]

Hi, most ciggys are known to have about 1 mg of nic per ciggy

What most are saying here is that for example, you were a pack a day smoker 20 ciggys and you use the 11 medium liquid. 40 drops a day of 11 would be equivalent to a pack a day ciggys.

So if you smoked half a pack and you bought the LOW, 6 mg's something like 20 drops a day would be LESS than you were smoking of 10 cigs a day. I can't figure it all out completely it gets confusing, but you are being ultra conservative. You will be able to vape a lot more of the 6 to equal 1/2 a pack of ciggys a day.

I vape LESS than 40 drops a day of 11 because I cut that in half most the time, so I KNOW I have reduced my nic intake, HOWEVER, vaping seems to give you a higher nic feel than cigs because it doesn't have all the chemicals in it to counter off set the nic. Some of those chemicals would make you tired so you wouldn't get as jacked smoking 1 ciggy as you do with the vaping.

I personally feel some people just vape WAY too high and don't need to on the mgs.

[jamie]

I was also wondering how many drops of e juice should i start off with. Maybe 1 or 2 drops to start out with? Will 1 or 2 drops be enough to moisten a empty cartridge and not burn out the atomizer?

No, not 1 or 2 drops for a blank cartridge. You should completely fill whatever size carts you are getting. You don't get more nicotine per puff just because you filled the cart.

Watch the newbie videos on how to fill and top carts in the New Member section.

[DisMan]

Switch to VG. Buy some juice from johnsoncreeksmokejuice.com. When you add to cart, change to the non-PG version of the juice.

However, if you go the non-PG route, you must not be allergic to nuts. So, if you have a nut allergy...I would say you're kinda screwed.

This may be a way around your issue and allow you to vape.

[tpboles]

I used to have panic attacks really bad (think your about to die, hospital trips, ect). I have smoked everything from 36mg down to zero. I agree 36mg could make your heart rate go up and could possibly trigger a panic attack.

From my experience it's mostly in your head (ofcourse). If you think - "I wonder if this is bad for me" your panic attack will answer "this sh!t is killing you". It's just the nature of panic attacks. My advise would be cut back on the nic (maybe 18mg or 11mg), and try not to think about it. I know with panic disorders that is easier said than done, but besides medication it is the only thing that will probably work. Also, try gradually cutting back on the analogs and not all at once. I think that would also be helpful. Some people that suffer from panic attacks could also suffer from adjustment disorders which could also trigger a panic attack.

I can tell you outside of turning the bottle up and drinking this stuff it is not gonna do anything severe to you. And a whole lot less than the analog are doing.

[Faethe]

I want to join the chorus of '36mg is too high'.

I like it occasionally, but hell if I'd nurse that stuff continuously. Some can do it and do enjoy it. Not me. It's all in who you are. There are people on this board that have complained of symptoms with 16 - 18mg juice.

That's why this stuff comes in so many different strengths. Everyone is different.