Backache?

[dc2k08]

bob are you saying that nicotine increases cholesterol levels possibly? well i dont know about you all but i have said this before, i get mad bouts of hiccups occasionally when im using the ec. as soon as i take a drag..hiccup, i stop and no more, then again as soon as i take a drag...hiccup. then it stops, one hiccup per drag. anyone else experience this. like i say, it doesnt happen all the time and im not doing anything that i dont otherwise do when im vaping and it does happen

[Ruby]

Royal jelly e-liquid anyone? Just a snippet I found on the topic:

Royal jelly, a possible agent to reduce the nicotine-induced atherogenic lipoprotein profile

[TropicalBob]

Ruby, that's a great find. Here's the relevant part for us nicotine addicts:

... nicotine alone progressively inhibited weight gain and significantly lowered the high density lipoprotein cholesterol level and its ratio to the total cholesterol (by 19% and 23% respectively). Also nicotine elevated the low density lipoprotein/high density lipoprotein (LDL/HDL) cholesterol ratio (82%) significantly. On the other hand, royal jelly when given to nicotine treated rats increased the HDL cholesterol and HDL/total cholesterol ratio and decreased the LDL/HDL cholesterol ratio...

Bingo! Nicotine is the cause of my cholesterol skew. The problem isn't so much my total cholesterol, but the huge amount of LDL and tiny amount of HDL. That's inviting a stroke! So I'm more than willing to give royal jelly a try, along with the Zocor the doctor hit me with.

Kate: If I don't have a constant level of nicotine in my blood, getting nicotine is all I can think of. I used to get irritable and jumpy, but now I use snus, nasal snuff, Stonewall dissolvable tobacco bits, my pipes and a cigar a day in addition to non-stop e-smoking of my Janty. Note that I do not inhale any tobacco smoke, just puff for the taste and aroma missing with e-vapor.

And, you know, when I first wake up, I really want a cigarette, after 14 months without one. But I won't break.

[Kate]

The restlessness you describe sounds similar to symptoms I once had with an anti-psychotic drug, it gave me an inner restlessness that was very unpleasant. I had to stop that medication, I couldn't find comfort or peace for any length of time with it. Good luck with finding a solution TBob. Staying off cigarettes is a great achievement, especially with daily cravings to deal with, you're an inspiration. Hopefully you will find a balance that you are happy with for nicotine intake and supplements. I think that what you are doing is much safer than smoking and it's good that you are not blind to the possible problems nicotine might cause.

You mention being vulnerable to having a stroke. You probably know this but I'll mention it anyway. Asprin is an anti coagulant, it thins the blood. Apparently for those vulnerable to strokes and blood clots taking half an asprin a day can be preventative of those conditions. Clinicians sometimes prescribe warfarin which does the same thing (warfarin is used as rat killer too, lol).

[TropicalBob]

I've gone the baby aspirin route for a long time, Kate. Unless a person has issues with aspirin side effects, this a safe preventative measure against stroke or heart problems.

I had carotid artery surgery a year and a half ago (95% blocked on right side) and doctors/surgeons blamed my years of smoking. Not exactly. It was nicotine and its vasoconstriction extremes that did the dirty work. When I went off all nicotine, I registered a perfect blood profile; back on nicotine and e-smoking, my profile is badly skewed and I have to go back on expensive meds. Ugh.

I'm definitely acting on Ruby's royal jelly tip. That's backed by a lab study, not some naturalist's idea of a healthy practice. I need science, not notions or lotions or potions.

[ApOsTle51]

Clinicians sometimes prescribe warfarin which does the same thing (warfarin is used as rat killer too, lol).

that's how rat poison works, it makes their blood to thin to be efficient oxygen carrier.
Does tend to make the decaying corpse smell more tho.
Currently there is another rat poison that works the other way, by thickening the blood and clotting it. It also helps lessen the odour of the decomposing corpse .

Just a little useless info from me

and no ...i Don't work for RentOkill ...lol

[★Comet★]

I was wondering if anybody has experienced any backache pains or other pains after smoking a while?
It could be just me being paranoid lol

Its ok ,Your body is repairing itself with close to pure nicotine.

[Kate]

Its ok ,Your body is repairing itself with close to pure nicotine.

How does that work then Comet?

[TropicalBob]

Sweetly asked, Kate.

[Kate]

Thanks

How is your health TBob? Did you try royal jelly?