How Confident Are We That These Are Actually Safe?

[taz3cat]

You guys are making me scared and I may have to go back to analogs, even though I have been vaping since June 2008 with no problems. My problem with analogs must have went away because of the placbo effect.

This is the pro-vaping forum isn't it?

[40oz]

I just have to bring up that PG and glycerin are used as a carrier for medication for nebulizers. These are pretty damn similar in the fact that they are carrying a chemical to your lungs via vaporized pg. Nebulizers have been tested extensively and are used to treat asthmatics. Nebulizers can be perscribed for multiple sessions a day over the course of several years to treat severe asthmatic patients.

If doctors are using these sorts of treatments to assist people with existing respitory issues, i cant fathom that they are doing a whole lot of harm to your lungs. Also all of the arguement that the levels of consumption are going to negatively effect us, those are VERY high levels of consumption vs our couple of mL intake a day. Every time you see vapors when you exhale, you have to conclude that you are exhaling quite a lot of the pg as well. Perhaps some research on the nebulizer treatments and the possible side effects will aid in the truth of impact involving long term inhalation of vaporized pg. There have been plenty of studies done and i have looked over few of the existing reports, all of them seem to have minimal negative impact, unless the patient is diabetic.

[hason74]

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I have ordered from Johnson Creek because the 'say' they make in the US. Ordering juice from China is a total gamble as far as I'm concerned, one plant may be using crushed up baby fetus' as a filler for all we know.

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Yea i wonder about that too, johnson creek is in wisconsin, there are no tobacco farms there, so what i think is they get it from china in the 36 mg form and cut it down to what they sell and put it in there own bottles.. but i dont know.
crushed up baby fetus' as a filler, lmao probly u know they do have a overpopulation problem lol

[hason74]

Has their anus fallen off or anything 'odd' like that ? Personally, I'd sacrifice my anus if it meant I'd could vape long term.

you crack me up roflmao

[vapor2009]

I just have to bring up that PG and glycerin are used as a carrier for medication for nebulizers. These are pretty damn similar in the fact that they are carrying a chemical to your lungs via vaporized pg. Nebulizers have been tested extensively and are used to treat asthmatics. Nebulizers can be perscribed for multiple sessions a day over the course of several years to treat severe asthmatic patients.

If doctors are using these sorts of treatments to assist people with existing respitory issues, i cant fathom that they are doing a whole lot of harm to your lungs. Also all of the arguement that the levels of consumption are going to negatively effect us, those are VERY high levels of consumption vs our couple of mL intake a day. Every time you see vapors when you exhale, you have to conclude that you are exhaling quite a lot of the pg as well. Perhaps some research on the nebulizer treatments and the possible side effects will aid in the truth of impact involving long term inhalation of vaporized pg. There have been plenty of studies done and i have looked over few of the existing reports, all of them seem to have minimal negative impact, unless the patient is diabetic.

Can you cite your source on this? I worked with neutralizers for asthmatics and and its just Oxygen and albuterol .

[vapor2009]

eh, spell check, meant nebulzers

[exogenesis]

Don't medical nebulizers all use ultrasonic or pressure spray mechanisms,
don't think any 'evaporate' the PG/VG/ingredient with a hot coil do they ?

This is the aspect of e-cigs that appeals least to me,
the whole VG/acrolein thing, & possibly other heating related chemical changes.

The atomizers are simply too randomly heated -
depending on e-cig model / coil&wick-dirt state / already hot / draw strength etc.
the temp actually experienced by e-liquid must vary dramatically.

Really wish we could get a piezo atomizer created, I'd feel a lot happier.

My use of e-cigs is definately reducing after a really great start,
now back on 15/20 analogs a day

[cosican]

I was reading through a lot of old posts and it just doesn't seem that anyone ever found solid proof that what we are doing is actually a good idea. It seems like for the most part we are just assuming that vaping is better than smoking because smoking is just so bad.

There are posts about pg and vg and its relative safety but one can't be completely sure what years and years of inhaling either one directly into the lungs will actually do. Then there's the whole juice issue. We are getting juice made in unknown Chinese factories shipped over in boxes and mixed in other random places before it is sent to our door. I read posts about people having bad reactions to one juice and not to another. In reality, we really have no idea what we are inhaling into our bodies. We wouldn't know if the product was contaminated or if it was created in a sterile environment. We can't possibly know whether or not the entire activity has any unknown long term effects. We don't know what all the "good flavorings" could be doing to us either.

At the end of the day it just sucks to be so addicted to something that I have to "choose my poison" --On one hand I have something I know will kill me eventually...and on the other I have some Chinese **** with no quality research done on it that could be damaging me just the same. All there seems to be right now is "what ifs" "probablys" and a slew of other assumptions. ...I wish I never picked up a cigarette in my life.

I saw the post a few days back and really did NOT want to read it, cos, I just didn't wanna, I wasn't sure what I would read, so I just ignored it
Then I broke down and said, what the hey. thinking, okay maybe this gut knows something

During my read I am shaking my head in total agreement, THEN
it dawned on me

Back in the day, when I was slightly addicted to powder, .......
for those not sure what I was refering to,
I would snort stuff, bought on the streets of NY, and GOD didnt even know what was in that stuff
Then when my addiction started getting just a little out of hand
and I would go thru a truckload in an evening, AND I would crush up asprin just for the bump If I dropped even a twinkle on the floor, I was on my knees, snorting carpet, and that somehow didnt kill me
so I figured IM GOOD

The amount of damage so many of us have already done to our souls. by the time someone figures if vaping is good or no good, I will be long DEAD

[leaford]

I just have to bring up that PG and glycerin are used as a carrier for medication for nebulizers. These are pretty damn similar in the fact that they are carrying a chemical to your lungs via vaporized pg. .

40oz, I was just researching this the other day, and I THINK you're close but not quite right. I am not an expert here, so if you know information I don't have, please point me to a source I can cite the correct information from in turn.

As I understand it, most asthma inhalers use water as a base, not PG, although relatively small amounts of PG is frequently added since it's been proven to result in greater amounts of the solution becoming aerosolized.

Currently, though, a vaporized PG based nebulizer is being studied for at least one respritory medication, Cyclosporine, because it does not mix with water. All study results which have been released are favorable, as far as I am aware.

"These preclinical studies demonstrate the safety of aerosolized cyclosporine in propylene glycol and support its continued clinical investigation in patients undergoing allogeneic lung transplantation."

Mary Ann Liebert, Inc. - Journal of Aerosol Medicine - 20(4):417

Hey, if it's safe enough for the guy wih a lung transplant, I don't see why I oughta worry.

[MyB]

IMO if you are THAT worried, then go to the doctor and get a nicotine inhaler (nicotrol inhaler) , ya know the ones that look like a mini tampon.