How Confident Are We That These Are Actually Safe?

[taz3cat]

Those Nicotine Ihalers are real safe they have 10mg of pure nictoine in them. Can't beat that now can you.

[deewal]

I've already said in more than one post (i'm not going to search for them) what my Doctor's reaction was and i saw him again last week and my blood pressure levels are now lower than they have ever been in all the time i have been seeing him (about nine years).
He has cut my medication down by 4mg a day because i don't need as much as i was taking now, and he's very happy i have stopped smoking. He's seen and examined my Penstyle and we have discussed it and he say's there is nothing in my Blood Samples or Urine Samples that give him any cause for alarm and if there were he would tell me to stop. He said to "keep on doing what your doing because it's far better than Smoking"
I was just thinking today that the only evidence we could give Authorities about the healthier alternative of Vaping was "anecdotal".
Would someones Medical Records which show a marked improvement of their Medical Condition after 9 months of Vaping be taken more seriously?

Off course my Doctor is a complete idiot.
Why do i get the feeling you have come here with the sole intent to say the e-cig is not safe ?
This is not the only thread where you have said the same thing.
Your not the only one either. We seem to have been infiltrated this last month by people who just want to say negative things about the e-cig.

Could it be because "journalists" are reading through this forum looking for Negative and "Scare" posts that they can "quote"

[taz3cat]

Deewall, were getting some strange people on this fourm, either they are real dumb (determined to stay that way) , or they just want to make trouble.

They don't even know that e-liquid is made with pure nicotine made in this country. I would buy some and make my own juice but don't have a business license and they don't sell to just anyone.

They can use the internet but can't seem to find anything of importance and they are not adding anything new to the subjuct. i don't miind them asking questions, but they make statements that are just plain off the wall.

All three (3) of my doctors must be idiots. They think I an addicted to nicotine not sugar. and they think my health is much better. LOL. Been vaping since June 2008. Show me a woman over sixty with a blood pressure of 112/76 that used to have high blood pressure. I bet she don't smoke. It has been low every since I started vaping.

[40oz]

Ive been talking to my chem professor about this since i started with ecigs. He is asthmatic and explained that his treatments used PG as a solvent for delivery of his meds. He sent me a couple of articles


Pediatric Pulmonology
Volume 13 Issue 4, Pages 209- 214
Published Online: 19 Nov 2005
Copyright 2009 Wiley-Liss, Inc, A Wiley Company


First site is from my college directory and requires an account, i ref'ed the document in case it was able to be located elsewhere on the internet. Both of these sources do note that jet gas and ultrasonic delivery are used, but that propylene glycol and other water based solvents are used with nebulizers. The second link actually claims that the alcohols, (ethanol and glycol ) are in some cases better than the ultrasonic and jet delivery.


More results of propylene glycol being used as a vehicle for delivery of asthmatic treatment via nebulizers.

Practical handbook of nebulizer therapy
By Jacob Boe, B. Ronan O'Driscoll, John Hugh Dennis

Second source claims that propylene glycol was more tolerant a vehicle for drug delivery than ethanol, though the ethanol had better absorption as mentioned in an earlier site. The propylene glycol replaced ethanol in cases that there was coughing due to lung irritation.

Again this was brought to my attention through discussion of ecigs with my chem prof who has a doctrine in chemistry. He immediately got interested when i said that propylene glycol was the vehicle of delivery for the vaporizers. Hope this helps, if i can find a way to link from my schools electronic library, i can link a few journals that had more info. None of these sources contain toxicology reports unfortunately, but i hope they are helpful as they mention the PG being used for nebulizer treatments.

I removed the broken links. I think there was a copy write problem as they were from an electronic database that requires login. You can search for these publications none the less, and if searching through pages seems daunting, simply search for PG on your browser.

[leaford]

Can't access the first one, and I don't even know which article it is. The second one is just the first page, but it dates to 1954 anyway. We need to know what's in inhalers NOW, not back then. If PG is the excipient in present day asthma medication, it would be a knock-out argument for our side. IF it's true and provable.

But I'm googling all over the place, and can't find any citation to prove it. I find lots of statements that PG is used as an excipient in pharmaceuticals, but nothing at all confirming that it's used in asthma inhalers.

[thatgirl1985]

Type in Google "asthma inhalers propylene glycol" and look for the link from freepatentsonline. It discusses aerosol inhalers (for asthma).

This may help as a citation that PG is used in asthma inhalers.

I know it is in Albuterol, which is a common inhaler.

The only downside would be that regular use of PG would cause a scratchy throat and dry mouth.

But we already knew that, right?

[leaford]

Yeah, I've got that. Patents are good, but I'm trying to verify if it is actually currently in use in an FDA approved inhaled medication.

[vapor2009]

But is PG the only chemical being inhaled? Take a look at the list of chemicals on totally wicked juice, theres even a warning saying its toxic to inhale.

[Joolz]

I hear you on this... it all seems logical. For me personally though... Vaping makes me feel a little bit "off" sometimes. I don't know what is causing it. And maybe this is what makes me more prone to believing that there could be something going on with what we're doing that is being currently overlooked. I don't believe I am allergic to PG - I have absolutely no throat irritation after vaping. But I do have times when I just feel spacey and "out there" and I really hate that feeling. Since I'm not an expert in what a build up of lactic acid would cause I'm not sure if that is the issue. I do work out frequently.... maybe I just have too much lactic acid.... There is just not enough information for me to be completely sure... Whatever the case, I never got that feeling from smoking.

If this is really worrying you - why not quit nicotine? Or, perhaps, go back to smoking those cigarettes that have been soooo proven to be safe!

Julie

[Monkeylurv]

If this is really worrying you - why not quit nicotine? Or, perhaps, go back to smoking those cigarettes that have been soooo proven to be safe!

Julie

You know, statements like these are really starting to get to me. Some people have side effects from e-cigs, and it shouldn't be discounted. That's why this forum is here. It's the "Health & Safety" forum. What else should we be talking about?? Blowing sunshine up everyone's butt about e-cigs?

I think 99.9% of us that are having problems (and aren't trolls or anti-smokers) really want to make it work. And most of us are keeping our worries to this forum so as not to panic new ecig users. Some of us really are working hard at getting to the bottom of our s/e's. And it's even a good thing to prod ejuice mfgs to create a "better" product.

I understand people worry the FDA is going to snoop on this forum & hear all the complaints (and who knows, maybe they have better things to do). In that case, they either should get rid of the health & safety forum, or make it private (i.e. only can join if a certain amt. of posts) so people can talk freely without others getting defensive. or worried that the FDA is gathering ammunition. I realize that making it private isn't exactly ideal for someone who may not have joined yet & wants to weigh whether they feel comfortable with the switch. But if it's the health & safety forum, this & all the other "concerned" posts are "on topic" discussion here.