Fog machines & glycol-based liquids & e-cigg

[AE37]

The point to remember here is that in none of the uses listed above has propylene glycol been purposely inhaled, 20 or more times every day. No long-term studies exist because no one thought this would ever be done. Who on earth would purposely inhale this chemical's vapor? That's not what it's for. And Silver is right about actors and stagehands. See some earlier posts on this. After awhile, the theatrical folks come away from fog gagging and coughing up phlegm. Forget how the substance is used in transdermal applications. We're inhaling it -- and that's never been done.

To get a better idea of how we would study this, the inhalation of the vapors could in return coat the lungs and have an increased chance of mucus build up, Tuberculosis and Pneumonia from the vapors staying in the lungs, Vapor is heavier than oxygen. This could be what $ilver is experiencing, but that would contradict the fact that you along with many others have yet to see this problem.

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Too many unknowns, guys and we're the lab rats. I wouldn't be doing this if I had a choice.

Possible adverse and life-threatening effects versus certain adverse and life-threatening effects?

No contest

Emp

[TropicalBob]

All of this is part of the reason I've been transitioning from propylene glycol solutions to vegetable glycerine solutions. PG breaks down to lactic acid; glycerol breaks down to glucose. Glycerine is also incredibly sweet, so getting it in the mouth is not at all unpleasant. I have no idea why it isn't used instead of PG in the the commercial nicotine solutions. Dr. Loi has been using glycerine, too. Good stuff.

More and more, I'm moving entirely to home-cooked tobacco juice, mixed with glycerine and Bickford flavors. I love the taste, see the vapor, but have no idea how much nicotine I'm taking in. For that, there's other stuff ...

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Hi Bob

For me the other stuff is still tobacco fags, I'm afraid. I have no desire to take nicotine any other way than by inhalation. Although I read your Snus posts with great interest, I don't think they're for me (Anything in my mouth gets chewed). I've only just - last week or so - started dripping and I've finally got some commercial e-liquid. I'll roll with that awhile to see if I like it better than carts. If so, the mad scientist basement gets unlocked and I get to work on the monster.

I think it's gonna come to that anyway, already looking up chemical houses online. Curse of the goddam Internet. I'd never take on these half-assed projects if there weren't a thousand how-to sites for everything...

[TropicalBob]

I totally understand. And I also know that many current calls for bans are no longer against "smoking" but against "tobacco use." Snus and Stonewall and other tobacco products could be unobtainable if bans on Internet sales, credit card use, and content delivery are put in place. E-smoking -- and making your own liquid -- is an excellent option for these trying times.

[CaSHMeRe]

we need to figure out a way to measure nicotine content in home brewed juice .... hmmmm

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

I got struck by how much this resembles blank CD and DVD production. I read somewhere that more than 90% of blanks are bought to rip off copyright material. The (stretched) correlation to our thing is I can see the devices being legal but not the juice. So we'll all have to brew up our own. Of course the logical end of the crusade is a total ban on any nicotine products (although Big T & P will fight), but then where will we get the raw material for homebrew?

[azE]

so why dont they use vegetable glycerine is it available as an eliquid

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Dunno, but it's probably cost.

[Lady Python]

Just as an aside, I've been a smoker for 40 years and and asthmatic all my life (52 years).

I was put on Salbutamol inhalers at the age of 19. I was told by my now ex-husband - also an asthmatic that these inhalers were addictive. Over the years I found that he was right. Coming up for 4 years ago, I ran out of inhalers at Christmas week. Between work committments and the usual Christmas shopping etc. I wasn't able to get my repeat prescription from the docs. The inevitable happened and my inhaler ran out between Christmas and New Year

So, I stopped using it. The first few days were hard (like giving up smoking although I've only tried that once years ago unsuccessfully) but I've never used an inhaler since or anything else.

I still get mild asthma attacks quite frequently but find a cup of coffee (or two - love coffee) works far better than the inhaler ever did. I walk and cycle a lot - and still smoke tobacco cigs as well as the e-cig.

Now, here's the interesting bit. Like most smokers I cough in the morning which is worse because I have asthma. Since I started smoking the e-cig and cut right down on the tobacco cigs, sometimes only having 2 a day (apart from yesterday and today as I've competely run out of carts and am waiting for a delivery) my wheeziness in the mornings is much less - and I haven't had my e-cig for two weeks yet! Even my hubby (a non-smoker) is quite amazed by it.

There is no doubt that the e-cig is much better health-wise than normal cigs.

I think if we were to worry about the effects of inhaling PG (or anything else for that matter), we'd worry ourselves to death. There is an element of risk in everything we do. Risk is part of life. It would be a boring life without risk I'm afraid.

I read this little anecdote some time ago:

There is only one cause of death, and that is being born.

So, enjoy your tobacco cigs, your e-cigs, whichever one you prefer, or if you're like me, be greedy and enjoy both