How valid are vaping health claims?

[Kate]

"... You are not comparing the dangers of E-smoking to cigarettes. You are comparing the dangers of E-smoking to overly exaggerated claims of how bad cigarettes are. And that is where all of you are falling into trouble..."

I agree with this, people didn't start dropping down dead immediately smoking became popular, it took generations to make the health links that smoking can cause health problems. That's what we should expect for vaping plus all the expected exaggerations that have been linked with anything we enjoy.

Don't shut up Paladin, I think you're spot on and are presenting a valuable viewpoint.

[frogbmth]

Good points here. A smoker's chances of developing lung cancer is 14%, this can be as much as halved by quitting. What we dont know is whether the reduction is better or worse for people using ecigs.

Remember, these figures also give the impression that smoking causes lung cancer in 14% of smokers. Remember, 20% of lung cancer cases are found in non-smokers so we can presume that some smokers who develop lung cancer would have done so whether they had smoked or not.

Also remember that the data has been gathered since the 1950s and cancer treatments have come a long way in this time. Many researchers now agree that gene therapy will eliminate cancer in 30 years. If this is true, we may never be able to truly compare cigarettes with vaping.

Also remember that humans are living much longer, anybody born in 1900 could expect to live 47 years on average. Somebody born today can expect to live 78 years. Cancers become more common as you age, so we are in fact living into more ill health. It is also important to remember that the majority of mature people alive today have at some time in their lives been a smoker so naturally illness in this age group occurs in ex smokers.

[paladinx]

Yeah, statistics are very easily played with whenever you are looking to prove something or have a bias. Now I am not a tobacco company advocate, I am not saying cigarettes are good for you.

The REAL killer in cigarettes is not the tar, nor any of the 4,000 chemicals. It is the addiction that kills. The addiction to consume ridiculous amounts of smoke each day for years and years. That is the killer. If people were not hooked on cigarettes and didnt need a steady pack or 2 packs a day, cigarettes probably would not lower your life expectancy as much as you would think. Now are these E-cigs as addicting or less? I believe thats an important part of their safety as well.

Heres one last example for the ones who probably think I am some kind of ...... Take a small cube of cheddar cheese. Compare that to a cigarette. There are no harmful chemicals in the cheese, in fact it has protein and vitamin D which are good for you. Now lets say this cheese had some kind of secret super addictive drug in it, and i start consuming a small block of cheese in place of every cigarette I would smoke if I were a heavy smoker. So lets say I ate 40 blocks of that cheese a day. How long do you think I am going to live at this rate? Thats 280 blocks a week. Probably after 10 years my cholestrol would be thru the roof cause of the saturated fat. Now I wont die from cancer, or lung disease or emphysema, but it will kill me in another way probably faster then the cigarettes would.

[paladinx]

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[Spikey]

While we do not "know" that it is safer, I think most of us are willing to roll the dice that it certainly couldn't be any worse.

Just speaking for myself, after only 10 days of being analog free, I have finally gotten rid of a persistant "cold" (or whatever it was) that I have had for about 8 months. I can feel the positive effects already. WHile 10 years from now I may sprout a 2nd head or something from vaping. I'll take the 10 years of feeling great in exchange.........

Didn't read the whole thread yet.. but I will take my chances.. by the way Elendil... your avatar is very perverse

PS... I missed you most of all Kate!!!!

[paladinx]

We have talked about PG, flavors, nicotine etc. Has anyone here discussed the potential harms of actually inhaling on the other end of a battery, atomizer? Or is that something not worth consideration?

[Frankie]

Unless you do it 200 times daily for ten years, i would not worry. I think it is mostly dangerous for batteries, so you cannot repeat it long enough anyway.

[gashin]

4,000+ chemicals in cigarette smoke vs 3 in vapor (H20, nic, pg/vg) - isn't it obvious?!

There are several threads about users who have been monitored by their physicians - I read through many and found that substituting vaping for smoking led to lower blood pressure and even cholesterol levels..

[paladinx]

You guys should be a little careful comparing cigarettes to e-smoking. Something new, e-cigs, to something that has been around for a very long time, cigarettes. On top of that everything bad about cigarettes has been probed protted, explored and even exaggerated in all this time. So when you make comparisons to that, you might start to mislead yourself a little. Why not compare e-cigs to arsenic, cause thats how cigarettes are being discussed now a days.

The way I would state things if I were you guys, is that from current research or current knowledge, it appears that e-cigarettes might not pose the same specific risks associated with cigarettes because they lack some of the damage causing ingredients that cigarettes have. Like tar for example. But I would avoid making absolute claims this early on. Why? because cigarettes are long term killers. With ALLL the bad things in cigarettes it still takes a substantial amount of time and consumption to obsever the negative effects of smoking. And those risks are specific to smoking. In order to really make an absolute statement you would really need to compare a large number of e-smokers to cigarette smokers who have been heavy consumers for at least 20 years. Then look at the specific health risks of each user. Cigarettes might be causing heart disease and lung cancer, While e-smoking might be causing kidney and liver damage. Who knows.

I personally think that e-cigs are healthier then regular cigarettes, but I will def not make that a final answer, cause i could be wrong.

and iw ould be interested in a vapor that had only 3 ingredients. the ones i have or have seen have more then 3 ingredients.