How valid are vaping health claims?

[Kate]

I first mentioned diacetyl and chemical related lung disease months ago but didn't make any effort to issue clear warnings until I discovered the Bickford link, I didn't want to overreact. Now what I do is to inform people that diacetyl is a known problem when inhaled and they should make efforts to find out that they aren't using it.

Ingredient lists from Chinese manufacturers tend to be pretty thorough but I don't know if they apply to all flavours. Non-Chinese manufacturers tend to say flavours and not be specific about what chemicals that means. Getting reliable information about formulas is like wading through chewing gum.

I can't advise you on the safety of any particular eliquid but for what it's worth I vape and consider my informed risk to be lower than the risks from smoking.

[cleo]

Well..thanks for the info Kate.
This diacetyl possibility is enough for me to go back to regular cigs.
At first I thought you were just being paranoid but now I see there is a noble cause behind the concerns.

It apparently only took 3 months of exposure in rats to begin the deadly lung disease caused by diacetyl.

Is there any info on some specific eliquid that does not contain diacetyl?

Cause now im thinkin about stopping after only 5 days and $200 spent!

personally i am using TW liquid ,and they are listing all the ingredient of their juices .you can also check their lab report as well.as far as i can see ,no diacetyl in it.

[Kate]

That's a good point Cleo, I forgot about the toxicology tests.

Ruyan and Wicked eliquids have been assessed by labs for toxic ingredients.

[cleo]

i think that intellicig are going to release their toxicology lab reports as well for their ecopure liquid.they mention in their website that it is available on demand.

[SkyMonkey]

It seems the safest alternative would be "flavorless" eliquid.

Have you guys tried that type?

[Kate]

I've vaped glycerine and propylene glycol without nicotine or flavours and enjoyed it. I like flavoured nicotine eliquid better but minimal is best probably.

[SkyMonkey]

Thanks Kate....sorry if I seemed rude in my earlier comments.

I think these kind of questions should be asked.
I will probably now go with a e-liquid that provides a toxicology report, or go with flavorless.....even though it doesnt sound very good lol.

[Kate]

No problem Sky. It does sound a bit far fetched to say that we might get lung disease from vaping when so many people make health claims.

You're right to investigate and educate yourself, we have a far better chance of success if we know what we're doing.

[leaford]

Before we all panic and go back to cigarettes, diacetyl is in cigarettes, too.
Wiley InterScience :: Session Cookies

Cigarettes are are our forerunners in establishing the "safety" of inhaled flavorings, and the standard we need to measure the safety of these things against is cigarettes. Are they safer than cigarettes? Do they add any additional health risks cigarettes do not?

In this case, no.

Monkeymark had a good quote, "Since absolute safety of any substance can never be proven, decisions about the safety of color additives or other food ingredients are made on the best scientific evidence available."

Judging by the best evidence available includes factors like the toxic dose, the half life in the body, the amount of that compound that is in the vapor, etc.

The case studies involved are very different than our situation. They involve prolonged contact to high quantities; workers stirring the vats, QC workers popping 100s of bags per shift in a small room, etc. Our liquids may use minute traces, but not the high concentrations they were expoosed to. Bear in mind, this is BUTTER flavor. Some of our flavors may have a touch of butter, but these guys were inhaling tons of it in a much more concentrated form.

[SkyMonkey]

Point taken Leaford.

I guess to keep things in perspective, analogs have hydrogen CYANIDE, as well as Formaldehyde in them... hows that for toxic? lol