TropicalBob...the china thing..

[Tallgirl1974]

For the person who thinks I was calling out TB, I was not. I simply wanted to know what he meant and had to move his quote from an inappropriate place. I dont PM with people because I just thought that was rude to assume I can just send someone a PM without knowing them. Id change the title but it wont let me. I am not be factious or sarcastic.


"Unfortunately, the practice virtually demands assurances of safety, something that cannot be left to Chinese manufacturers who exist outside regulatory scrutiny. Open your eyes wide, and you'll see where this is heading." Tropical Bob."

Explain?
You implied that we should be leery because of the Chinese regulatory issues, or lack of..... its not china in general that makes anything on their own, its companies who put their industry there- they are the ones who need to be accountable for what is made there. A Chinese based company doesn't equate to "bad" like it seems you imply? And if you make your own liquid- do you fears go away? Is it simply the liquid? If Ruyan holds the patent rights in china, and some of their BOD are Americans/non Chinese- hoping desperately to expand their market- also several very highly respected research institutions have done studies- why is there some boogy man to fear? Are you putting all your stock in our FDA regulations only?Also, They have been around for years in other countries- would we not see negative effects by now from them?
I guess my question is this: I have seen you post so much info, but cant figure out your bottom line defintion for safety. I dont understand where you think this is heading. lol

[Cellmeister]

Ya, I Agree.

I Don't Want Bath Water In My Juice....

~Keep Vapin~!

[Vapor Pete]

I guess my question is this: I have seen you post so much info, but cant figure out your bottom line defintion for safety. I dont understand where you think this is heading. lol

LOL! Wow TG, you just said what I've been wondering since I joined the ECF...Thanks! Your awsome!
My best,
-VP

[surbitonPete]

I think TBob just tries to keep everyone's head out of the clouds when it comes to vaping. In an ideal world it 'should' be controlled by something like the FDA, there 'should' be standards set for the juice and for the equipment, standards that we know are being checked by a regulatory body that has the power to shut down a juice or equipment manufacturer for failing to meet those standards, as it all stands now we have to rely solely on self regulation and sadly not even our own governments are good at self-regulation. Even so I still believe it's got to be miles better than smoking tobacco.

[paladinx]

haha im still posting. Damn it. gonna have to ween myself off this forum. I think I know exactly what bob means. When companies go to china or anywhere else, there are reasons and loopholes as to the reason why. When you produce overseas, not only are the costs extremely low, but the laws are different. You do not have to bring american laws to where you are going. Ex. Nike sweat shops in mexico, or factories employing child labor. You couldn't do that in the United States, but abroad you can. The only laws that would apply are the laws of import/export, and as it stands there is no regulating factor set up for e-cig/juice imports.

China has a track record of its own. And that has to do with their own production, laws, and facilicities. We use them because they are more cost effective. But Chinese regulation of ingestible products is very sketchy. Look at their history of food contamination. Thousands of pets died in the US because of food imported from china just recently. And besides why would any US company bring a bunch of regulatory standards if they do not have to? They do what they can get away with and what makes them the most money. It has always been the case.

I believe bobs post makes a lot of sense. You are ultimately putting your faith in the regulatory standards of chinese factories and their track record and nothing else. that is bobs point. Think about it, would you really want all your food to be imported from china? We couldnt even import dog food without paying a price.

regards.

[Sun Vaporer]

I think TBob just tries to keep everyone's head out of the clouds when it comes to vaping. In an ideal world it 'should' be controlled by something like the FDA, there 'should' be standards set for the juice and for the equipment, standards that we know are being checked by a regulatory body that has the power to shut down a juice or equipment manufacturer for failing to meet those standards, as it all stands now we have to rely solely on self regulation and sadly not even our own governments are good at self-regulation. Even so I still believe it's got to be miles better than smoking tobacco.

Well stated Pete. Furthermore, TB is experssing his opinion and does not deserve to be called out on it in a thread. Everyone has a right to their opinion and I never see TB ranting. So why do you not lay off him. Starting a Thread to call him out is just plain wrong IMO----

---------Sun

[Cancer]

Tropical Bob is so well spoken and respectful...this thread need to be retitled or closed. Go back to THAT discussion or PM him and dialogue with him. Calling him out in a thread is insulting him in my opinion.

[nitewriter]

It's easy for some to see TB as synical, but in all actuallity he forces us to remove our rose colored glasses, and instead look through magnifying glasses. In other words, he shows us the hard facts. Sometimes those facts may be hard to swallow or not what we want to hear, but it's what we NEED to hear.

He is a journalist and fact-finding is his nature. I think we're fortunate to have him keep us grounded.

[Vapor Pete]

Well stated Pete. Furthermore, TB is experssing his opinion and does not deserve to be called out on it in a thread. Everyone has a right to their opinion and I never see TB ranting. So why do you not lay off him. Starting a Thread to call him out is just plain wrong IMO----

---------Sun

Thats funny... no one came to my defense when I was called out in a thread. Just sayin
My best,
-VP

[Sun Vaporer]

Thats funny... no one came to my defense when I was called out in a thread. Just sayin
My best,
-VP

Vapor Pete--I did not see a thread calling you out. I must have missed it. But if I had scene it, I would have said the same thing. NOONE should be singled out like that ever IMO----Sun