Anxiety/Panic?...not again. Say it ain't so!

[hxj]

i guess the real answer would be to get some empty cartridges and then put nothing in but pg or vg and try that

so have you tried anything that has no flavor at all ?

Not yet, but when I get a little time I'm going to try some VG with a teeny bit of distilled water for thinning. I've been sticking to two flavors of non-PG liquid and so far no anxiety, BUT I've been getting muscle pains, mostly limited to chest-- which is weird because I can't think of any reason why VG would cause that (PG breaks down into lactic acid, so that at least would make sense). You're right, it could well be the flavoring.

So I'll try unflavored VG, and as an experiment I also have a bottle of reduced-PG non-nicotine non-tobacco-derived liquid coming from Johnson Creek. If that doesn't cause problems, then it was never the PG, I guess-- I still suspect my anxiety problems with the PG liquids I was using was that they really weren't "no-nicotine" after all. :-P

[edlogic]

Not yet, but when I get a little time I'm going to try some VG with a teeny bit of distilled water for thinning. I've been sticking to two flavors of non-PG liquid and so far no anxiety, BUT I've been getting muscle pains, mostly limited to chest-- which is weird because I can't think of any reason why VG would cause that (PG breaks down into lactic acid, so that at least would make sense). You're right, it could well be the flavoring.

So I'll try unflavored VG, and as an experiment I also have a bottle of reduced-PG non-nicotine non-tobacco-derived liquid coming from Johnson Creek. If that doesn't cause problems, then it was never the PG, I guess-- I still suspect my anxiety problems with the PG liquids I was using was that they really weren't "no-nicotine" after all. :-P

i just got an idea -

try the ant test

put a drop on some ants
if it kills them it probably has nic in it
if it doesn't then it probably doesn't have any nic

nic is a strong pesticide

[edlogic]

now i am really starting to wonder if it is the flavor or something else
i will have to try the coconut again and see
maybe it is just circumstantial to each person and their current situation
body chemistry - hormone balance etc .

maybe it has to do with lactic acid ?
when i start having symptoms - i put about a level teaspon full of baking soda in a glass of water and about 10 minutes after i drink it - it seems to help .

maybe people with body chemistry with acid ph blood have trouble with the lactic acid produced ?

i wonder if some people with these symptoms take vitamin c tablets and if that makes it worse ?

i was taking vitamin c daily and when i stopped it seems like the panic attack symptoms are less .

or maybe drinking a lot of cola or acid type drinks also may make a difference ...

[hxj]

Different people are definitely having different reactions to the various substances and flavorings in e-liquid. I'm now convinced that my original anxiety was caused by a (possibly mislabeled) set of "no-nicotine" carts that had nicotine in them-- I mean, sleeplessness/night sweats/mild panic attacks/chest tightness? Classic nicotine overdose, right?

Flavored VG yielded no anxiety symptoms, though I did experience some muscle pains (weird). Johnson Creek no-nic reduced-PG Tennesse Cured has produced some very minor muscle pains and occasionally some mouth irritation, but so far it's the mix I'm having the most luck with.

I have four other JC no-nic reduced-PG flavors coming on Thursday. If those work out as well as or better than the Tennessee Cured, I'm happy. And I'll definitely try JC's new non-PG formula whenever they offer it.

[Nestran]

sleeplessness/night sweats/mild panic attacks/chest tightness? Classic nicotine overdose, right?

So hard to diagnose. What you describe here is exactly what I went through in week two of my cold turkey quit, no vaping at this point.

I lied in bed petting my dogs for two hours in the night to keep the attacks at bay (There is something therapeutic there, something about tactile senses and such). Dogs though I was off my nut petting them at 3 in the morning but like good little troopers, the did their duty and got pet.

Anyway, Anxiety and withdrawal are more likely to cause those symptoms than Nic overdose. My understanding is that nic overdose almost always includes headache and nausea, no mention of that so far.

Here, my first experience vaping, felt like my head got all full and I couldn't breathe, started to get worse, thought I might pass out then the wife started to talk to me about something and a minute later, all symptoms were gone. Self induced panic attack.

Nestran

[hxj]

Anxiety and withdrawal are more likely to cause those symptoms than Nic overdose. My understanding is that nic overdose almost always includes headache and nausea, no mention of that so far.

If I did have headaches and nausea, they were mild enough that I didn't think much of them; I'm prone to headaches anyway, though nausea's rare for me, so I'd probably have noticed. However, the first Google hit for "nicotine overdose symptoms" does list cold sweats, confusion, chest pain, and uneven or racing heartbeat, all of which I definitely remember.

(In any event, I wasn't suffering from nic withdrawal-- I've been down to zero nic for ages.)

[Nestran]

Missed the part about the 0 nic.

I would say you must have gotten some nic somehow as you said as there is nothing in PG that could cause that issues unless you were allergic but then it should be happening every time.

Nestran

[edlogic]

i am starting to think there might be a pattern or correlation to the temperature of the atomizer when heating the ejuice .

i have noticed that my 510 often gets overloaded with juice and it seems to have a glob of juice down by the atomizer - when this happens - sometimes i can hear the juice gurgling - when this happens a lot of times i don't get very good vapor and i puff really slow to get it cooking - then i notice that the atty gets really hot

the reason why i might be thinking there is a pattern because - the last day or so - i blew out all the excess juice and then i was getting a cooler smoother vape - and i did not have the panic symptoms

and just now - i let it cook hot again and puffed really slow and i got the panic symptoms in a couple of puffs

something tells me that maybe the temp of the juice cooking is causing trouble ?

another thing is that my first 901 atty would really cook the juice and i would get good vapes but kind of harsh and then the atty quit yesterday

the next atty that i am using on the 901 seems to be cooking less and the vape is way smoother

now i am going to try to make sure that the juice always cooks relatively cool and see if that makes a difference

[rfun6]

Maybe try the rule it out theory. Try cutting down the nicotine. If that don't work, then try pg vs vg. If that don't work, then try no flavor. Then try no nicotine. Etc. Til you can pin point which or all is causing the problem.

[edlogic]

Maybe try the rule it out theory. Try cutting down the nicotine. If that don't work, then try pg vs vg. If that don't work, then try no flavor. Then try no nicotine. Etc. Til you can pin point which or all is causing the problem.

i tried all that stuff and i couldn't pin it down
and just now i am vaping with no problem if i try to keep the air flow fast enough to keep the vapor from getting too hot

if i puff really slow and the vapor gets too warm it seems that is when i notice having panic symptoms / effects - even when using the low nic