Just Curious

**karenwest1961** · 09-28-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by jigtg

You have no idea what I'm talking about do you?
Personal opinions and beliefs do not count as scientific evidence. Maybe you can get that to your thick skulls some day.

And obviously you haven't done your homework on Dr. Loi. Enough said. I think using the ignore is a great idea, T-Bob. I'm with you.

**jigtg** · 09-28-2008, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by karenwest1961

And obviously you haven't done your homework on Dr. Loi. Enough said. I think using the ignore is a great idea, T-Bob. I'm with you.

I know, why dont you convince admins to kick me out. Certainly that would be more effective way of getting rid of me.

**Nazareth** · 09-28-2008, 05:37 PM

look- Jig and others- Your contributions are valuable here- Jig- you've given many testing results 3which are important- just don't look down your nose at anectidotal evidneces as well as those evidences are also very valuable coupled with hte math paper evidences as well- Your contributions are again, valuable, but so are other's contributions- let's just all look at hte bigh picture instead of narrowing our visions down to one or the other baises.- Bipartisanships help the greatest number of people- partisanship does not

**karenwest1961** · 09-28-2008, 07:20 PM

Naz, I didn't like the judgement of Dr. Loi as being less reliable than j's links posted. I can do my homework, but the same can be said about j. Dr. Loi is a respected member who has gotten the closest to a clinical trial on e-cigarettes than anyone. To judge him as a less reliable source on the subject is premature if j has not made the effort and gone in depth and read Dr. Loi's posts...and understand why we respect him.

And Naz, I appreciate what you're trying to do right now, but to someone who just called us a bunch of numb skulls, I would prefer to ignore this one.

**Nazareth** · 09-28-2008, 07:33 PM

I didn't appreciate J's assertions either which is why I asked that he not be so partisan in his opinion that he simply wave a hand dismissing everyone else's contributions as the work that Dr Loi is doing is extrem,ely valuable and will help advance the issue- Hopefully J can be mature enough to allow that not everything is as black and white as he htinks it is- Real world results often times do not jive with hte on paper results, and I think we should all keep in mind that both the on paper noodlings, and hte real world testings and results have value.

J is obviously a smart dude, and hopefully he will continue to contribute his knowledge here without the extreme bias he seems to be displaying? We all certainly could benifit from his knowledge, if he's able to be bipartisan- If not, oh well.

**Janet** · 09-29-2008, 07:05 AM

Jig, I'm just curious. Do you smoke regular cigarettes? and Have you ever tried e-cigarettes?

**jpc815** · 09-29-2008, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by jigtg

No, thats how you have gained trust to him. I trust FDA etc. because these guys expose their conclusion process to public critic. Dr Loi's comments are both too vague to prove anything and too vague to make him put his "reputation where his mouth is".

you trust the FDA, the same FDA that approves drugs then years later after numerous people have been injured or died from major side effects of these drugs they then pull them off the market????

**jimldk** · 09-29-2008, 12:00 PM

Wow...I did not know this war of words have been going on.....so calm down people....

Hi Jigtg...yes, I understand your predicament...first of all, I think I need to stress that my clinical trial is still ongoing and it is fully borne by me...Njoy does not sponsored me and no manufacturer sponsored me in any way or form.....I make my own e-liquids (which raw material i bought from many different e-liquids peddlers and remanufactured in my own house)..please Jigtg , my clinical trial is completely from my own pocket and my patients....so that laid to rest first..okay?

secondly, whatever research has been done on our new found joy and toy is still far and minimal, so to ascertain whether each product is safe is still far off..we need time but please don't jump to conclusion...yet....I am still conducting the safety test but financial restraint is there and even some of our forum members actually tried to send money to me...I did not accept it..it is not right to do so because I feel it is wrong..I make do myself with the restraint...Hope that clears some fears...

I don't mind answering your PM jigtg so do pm me if you need help...I am very busy now with our country recent cropped up viral infections so if I am delayed in answering any post or pm , I hope all of you don't mind...

Thirdly, the temp cores reading is erratic at the best...depends on how long you are using the device but it also cools down pretty fast due to large surface area...I did not detect any form of noxious or dangerous form of chemicals but of course all these are still under investigations..yes, you are right, an ultrasonic version will be better..less heat mutation will occurs....

sorry, I can't answer all now but I hope peace will prevailed within this sector....no hard feelings my dear forummers...all we need now is time...

**karenwest1961** · 10-01-2008, 07:43 PM

If we're going to dismiss sources of information like Dr. Loi, we'll have to dismiss this whole thread too because it's based on information from a chemist friend that we don't know and information from wikipedia...which anybody can edit.

See how silly that is?

Anyhow, with that said, all the information combined here...no matter the source, is GOOD information to help the individual decide for him/herself whether to vape VG or not.