PG is safe

[Tumbleweed4829]

I started just smoking e-cigs 5 days ago and everyday have felt like I'm coming down with something but never actually getting sick other than feeling achy all over and a sore throat off and on. Today I actually got through the whole day with out a sore throat. I have been debating about stoping and just going back to real cigs but honestly I already can't stand being near someone smoking and I really do not want to start stinking again; that is my main motivation but tired of feeling tired and achy. I know we don't know how these e-cigs are affecting us and we're hoping they are not as bad as real cigs but we really have no idea. We're really just hoping for the best in all reality.

[MagusSteele]

Not E-Cigs, but I have been exposed to PG most of my adult life. About 25years.

[leaford]

Again, for the first few days e-smoking, it's perfectly normal to get a sore throat. There's an adjustment period while you get used to it. The achy feeling may be the extra lactic acid in your system; the PG breaks down to lactic acid, a fatigue poison normally produced by your body during muscle exertion. Again, once your system adjusts to it, it should ease up.It's normal. We've all been there.

[TropicalBob]

I'll echo Leaford's comments. I've e-smoked since January and the initial problems disappeared in a week or two. If for some reason propylene glycol disagrees with you, switch to vegetable glycerine-based liquid (offered by Johnson Creek).

[mr_mitch]

which is considered to be safer to smoke. propylene glycol, or vegetable glycerine?

has anyone got a link where you buy vg cartridges in the uk? I don't really feel confident to make my own liquid thingys yet. And I wont be able to make my own if it involves using a syringe.

[Kate]

We don't know which is safer Mitch, you'll have to make your own mind up about that. Both are probably pretty safe.

At the moment the only way to be sure of getting vegetable glycerine eliquid is to make your own. You don't have to use a syringe, you can mix in a bottle and use an eye dropper to drip onto your atomiser or cartridges - Beta Pipette Drop Bottles At Herbalists London - Baldwins. You can also soak your cartridges in an egg cup with eliquid in it to refill.

Johnson Creek make a non-propylene glycol eliquid which is likely to use veg glycerine. Smokester will have some in stock soon - Electronic Cigarette | Free Yourself... | e-cigs Liquid Some people are having problems with this juice, it's been clogging atomisers.

[pillbox38]

Lots of differing views on PG, the guy who ran the analysis for us recommends looking at using a different substance such as Glycerol.... SEE BELOW....


"All three nicotine solutions do appear to contain large amounts of propylene glycol aerosol forming solvent. Different suppliers of this chemical appear to offer differing hazard ratings on their respective MSDS’s. Some indicate no ill effects from inhalation which is fine, while others indicate CNS and spleen health issues may exist from prolonged inhalation of the chemical.

Researching the chemical profile for propylene glycol1 indicates that although there would appear to be ‘no current recognized health hazards’, the chemical is ‘suspected to be a respiratory toxicant’.
If Propylene Glycol subsequently becomes ‘recognized as a respiratory toxicant’ following the launch of the product in Europe, then ‘Pillbox 38’ should be looking for an even safer alternative such as Glycerol.

Only the MED nicotine solution contained traces of Triacetin, a noted cigarette additive with no identifiable risks.

6. Conclusion
On balance, the nicotine solution cartridges appears to offer a much safer alternative to the traditional cigarette. Apart from the required toxic Nicotine, the samples tested appear to be fairly clean and free from other potentially toxic chemicals.

Using this type of nicotine solution, the artificial smoke generated by an Electronic Cigarette would not appear to contain the toxic cocktail of toxic carcinogenic compounds found in traditional tobacco smoke. Some 600+ chemicals have been identified in traditional smoke tobacco, of which many are carcinogenic.

The primary aerosol forming solvent (Propylene Glycol) used in the preparation of the nicotine solution is listed as a ‘suspected respiratory toxicant’.

‘The Electronic Cigarette Co (UK) Ltd’ should look at changing the aerosol forming solvent from the suspected respiratory toxicant ‘Propylene Glycol’, to an even safer solvent such as Glycerol.


7. Recommendations
a) ‘The Electronic Cigarette Co (UK) Ltd’ should take a Proactive look at replacing the Propylene Glycol component completely with an alternative such as Glycerol, in the event that the solvent becomes added to the list of respiratory toxicants in the foreseeable future


8. References
• www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles; The Pollution Information
• Reference to 100 fatal poisonings in Panama resulting from a Chinese factory falsifying records in order to export the cheaper but toxic Diethylene Glycol as the more expensive Glycerol.





Analysts Name: Mike Ellicott
Function: Senior Applications Scientist
Signature: (hard copy only)________________


End of Report"

[jigtg]

Lots of differing views on PG, the guy who ran the analysis for us recommends looking at using a different substance such as Glycerol.... SEE BELOW....


"All three nicotine solutions do appear to contain large amounts of propylene glycol aerosol forming solvent. Different suppliers of this chemical appear to offer differing hazard ratings on their respective MSDS’s. Some indicate no ill effects from inhalation which is fine, while others indicate CNS and spleen health issues may exist from prolonged inhalation of the chemical.

Researching the chemical profile for propylene glycol1 indicates that although there would appear to be ‘no current recognized health hazards’, the chemical is ‘suspected to be a respiratory toxicant’.
If Propylene Glycol subsequently becomes ‘recognized as a respiratory toxicant’ following the launch of the product in Europe, then ‘Pillbox 38’ should be looking for an even safer alternative such as Glycerol.

Only the MED nicotine solution contained traces of Triacetin, a noted cigarette additive with no identifiable risks.

6. Conclusion
On balance, the nicotine solution cartridges appears to offer a much safer alternative to the traditional cigarette. Apart from the required toxic Nicotine, the samples tested appear to be fairly clean and free from other potentially toxic chemicals.

Using this type of nicotine solution, the artificial smoke generated by an Electronic Cigarette would not appear to contain the toxic cocktail of toxic carcinogenic compounds found in traditional tobacco smoke. Some 600+ chemicals have been identified in traditional smoke tobacco, of which many are carcinogenic.

The primary aerosol forming solvent (Propylene Glycol) used in the preparation of the nicotine solution is listed as a ‘suspected respiratory toxicant’.

‘The Electronic Cigarette Co (UK) Ltd’ should look at changing the aerosol forming solvent from the suspected respiratory toxicant ‘Propylene Glycol’, to an even safer solvent such as Glycerol.


7. Recommendations
a) ‘The Electronic Cigarette Co (UK) Ltd’ should take a Proactive look at replacing the Propylene Glycol component completely with an alternative such as Glycerol, in the event that the solvent becomes added to the list of respiratory toxicants in the foreseeable future


8. References
• www.scorecard.org/chemical-profiles; The Pollution Information
• Reference to 100 fatal poisonings in Panama resulting from a Chinese factory falsifying records in order to export the cheaper but toxic Diethylene Glycol as the more expensive Glycerol.





Analysts Name: Mike Ellicott
Function: Senior Applications Scientist
Signature: (hard copy only)________________


End of Report"

Did they use gas chromatography or what? Before or after heating?

[pillbox38]

Good question...I have no idea...

[leaford]

Yes, the full report, which Pill posted in another thread, specified GC testing.