How many cigs???

[freddo]

this issue has been tickling my mind ever since i got my e cig. I smoke med carts, and i just want to know how many small 2 second puffs are the equivalent to a normal 0.8mg nic fag. I'm sorry, this must have been asked lots of times before, but i cant seem to find it anywhere, please direct me too it if im being blind.

Thankyou all

[Kate]

From what I can remember of the Ruyan test report (- http://www.healthnz.co.nz/2ndSafetyReport_9Apr08.pdf), two puffs with high nicotine (16mg) vapour = the same amount of nicotine as one puff on an average cigarette.

BUT the method of delivery is different, the potency is probably different and the rate of absorbsion is likely different. We haven't yet got a way to compare the amount of nicotine that makes it to our bloodstream using the different methods of delivery.

[freddo]

thanks kate, e-smoking is all to complicated lol, wish it was more simple and all the right research had been done already. I really like it though, gone of cigs almost completly. upkeeping the e cig is very expensive though

[Kate]

It can sound a bit complicated, I agree. Partly that is to do with trying to replicate the properties of an ordinary cigarette such as taste and drug potency. If we take esmoking as a distinct practice, all it is is a way of delivering flavour, nicotine and vapour via inhalation. The ingredients and devices don't have to be too complicated really but since we are enthusiasts we like to go over specifics to make sure we have dragged every possible point of interest out of the subject.

It would be good if we knew for sure it was safe but in the end we get to enjoy being pioneers and trying something relatively new. I like that about esmoking, it's more exciting than tried and tested 'hobbies'. I like to think of it in the same way some people like dangerous sports ... it could be a health risk but it's fun along the way.

[Nazareth]

I like that about esmoking, it's more exciting than tried and tested 'hobbies'. I like to think of it in the same way some people like dangerous sports ... it could be a health risk but it's fun along the way.

Spoken liek a true pioneer My sentiments exactly

[apachedug]

y'know, I'm glad this has been brought back up...because I am honest-to-God wondering about the addictive properties too.

I USED to smoke 30 "light" cigarettes a day, for decades. (ugh, that's almost hard to believe now...) Anyway--at night the frequency varied, but during the workday I had 'em at specific times, RARELY changing.

(1 at 7:30am, 2 at 9:00am, 1 at 10:30, 1 at noon, 2 after eating lunch, etc.)

If I didn't have at least one at the specific time, the nicotine withdrawl would claw at me until I almost ran out of that office in a panic.

And now, after puffing on these medium or low carts (with no real cigs) for the last 3 months...

1. I puff on this thing all the time. Blast it! All the time--but I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO. I do it because it's so...accessible. But when I wake up in the morning? I don't have that "gotta have a cigarette before I do anything else" sort of feeling anymore...

2. Even if we are getting the equivalency of a cigarette puff with 2 hits off a strong cart e-cig (which I almost doubt, seems like it should be 3-4 puffs) we know we're not getting the nic like before...is it possible it's not as addictive now, because it doesn't contain the carbon monoxide?

I guess I'm just wondering what I'm addicted to, and how bad it is. I mean, for 29 years it was easy to think "gotta have a cigarette"; but for some reason, "gotta have an e-cig" just doesn't feel quite true!

[KatyS]

Not to mention the ammonia that cig companies added to their cigs in the last few years that intensifies the nicotine and makes it even more addictive. I watched Boston Legal last night and the trial in the episode was against a large tobacco company. The closing arguement by the plantiffs lawyer, made me so glad I am off analog cigs!!

[freddo]

i feel i am a lot less addicted to e cig than i was to a normal cig aswell. When my atomizer broke and i had no e cig for the day, i hardly craved for a cig atall, it was very strange. I strongly believe that its not only down to the nicotine in a cig, its all the chemicals too. When i had one it tasted horrible. From now on i keep telling myself 'they are horrible' over and over again whenever i need one. It seems to ave worked for me, even though it does sound stupid.

[apachedug]

Darn, I wish I had seen that Boston Legal episode!

Freddo, what you said--it DOESN'T sound stupid. I did the exact same thing the first 2-3 weeks I quit 'real' smoking.

I KNOW I can't try this again, but...when I first started using these e-cigs, and went a couple days without smoking, I thought "it CAN'T be this easy, it just can't, I smoked for almost 30 years" and so I got a real one and lit it up.

This was only after 2 days of not having one, and already I was shocked by how godawful it tasted, and acrid, and HEAVY (the smoke).

Now that it's been 80 days since my last real one, I bet it'd be even worse.

I just decided, I'm not gonna make anymore complaints or whiny inquiries about the safety of these things. For the people who replaced analog smoking with e-puffing, it has to be WORLDS safer. These things are (quite literally, IMHO) life-savers.

(I just wish I knew why I've been dreaming of real cigs so much lately! In the past week or so, it's been almost every night...why now, after all this this time has passed?) There's no way in hell I'd go back to real cigs.

[Kate]

I think that there are other things about cigarettes that we sometimes crave like the carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide dizzyness from lack of oxygen to the brain.

We might be getting more nicotine into our bloodstreams with esmoking, we might be getting less. Some hardened smokers have reported nicotine overdose symptoms with esmoking so it wouldn't surprise me if we found it to be more potent than cigs.

Thanks Naz We're all pioneers aren't we, a whole new sub-culture is starting to develop around esmoking. I feel very lucky to have found it sooner rather than later.