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paladinx · 07-07-2009, 07:18 PM

Sorry I have not responded in awhile, I lived up to my promise and took a small break from here. The thing that really has bothered me with the whole E-cigarette thing, is a lack of consistency from person to person. This is an engineered device that is marketed as healthier alternative to smoking, yet there seems to be many variables. Even with the PG we all use that is being deemed safe by most senior members on this board.

"haha - i got my 510 and a bunch of juice about 3 weeks ago - i started out with the high strength nic juice and got a buzz right away - way too much -
that surprised me because i smoke bugler non filter - heavy tar - heavy nicotine and about 20 or 30 a day for more than 10 years - regular high filter analogs for 25 years before that - ( winston - camel etc )
so after 35 years of smoking high tar / nicotine cigs
the 36 mg juice was too much -"

See things like that make question marks go off in my head. Studies are saying e-cigs gives you 1/10th the nicotine of a cigarette. Some members are saying this is exactly the case, while others are talking about nicotine poisoning and side effects. How could one person be getting 1/10th the nicotine, while others like above are getting more nicotine from e-smoking then heavy unfiltered cigarettes.

Is it really the nicotine? Maybe the nicotine concentrations are never consistent? And everyone is talking about dryness. Is it really safe to dry out your lungs so much on a daily basis??

Plus u have the whole issue of withdrawal symptoms vs e-cig symptoms. which is which? What i do know is, a lot of people seem to be having SHORT term side effects that u do not get with smoking cigarettes. That is kind of alarming to me. Cigarette smoking never dried out my lungs or throat, or made my muscles hurt. Its a little bit troubling to me that there are many out there getting side effects in such a short period of time. Does anyone ever think or wonder what the long-term might be?

ladyraj · 07-07-2009, 08:58 PM

Hey Paladinx, I'm glad you're back. Your objectivity and questioning mind is refreshing and has been missed.

The dryness issue has always puzzled me because I haven't experienced it. It seems to be counter to what we know about inhalation and exhalation. Our normal exhalations contain heated moisture. If a drying agent is inhaled...wouldn't the natural exhalation moisture negate the drying effect?

If the e-cig liquids and carts contain the very same ingredients, but in less quantity, as regular cigarettes...why is there muscle pain? If the muscles are inflamed or excited...how would drinking more fluids resolve it unless one is dehydrated? Do e-cigs cause dehydration or are people simply forgetting to provide their body with fluids? Considering the fact that our hearts are muscles the claims of muscle involvement are very troubling.

Regarding the level of nicotine intake the smoker (e-cig or tobacco) adjusts the individual dose delivered via draws taken. How in the world would anyone overdose? It's not like someone is mainlining nicotine and has no recourse if the dose was too high. In e-smoking one simply has to stop puffing if a negative symptom arises.

Some of the well intentioned advice given is simply guesstimated and have become legend. I think the best responses are the ones that refer disabling side effects to medical professionals.

paladinx · 07-07-2009, 09:14 PM

sorry i did not mean to make a new thread, I thought i was responding in another thread already.

07-07-2009, 07:18 PM	#1
paladinx ECF Veteran Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 351	Variability Sorry I have not responded in awhile, I lived up to my promise and took a small break from here. The thing that really has bothered me with the whole E-cigarette thing, is a lack of consistency from person to person. This is an engineered device that is marketed as healthier alternative to smoking, yet there seems to be many variables. Even with the PG we all use that is being deemed safe by most senior members on this board. "haha - i got my 510 and a bunch of juice about 3 weeks ago - i started out with the high strength nic juice and got a buzz right away - way too much - that surprised me because i smoke bugler non filter - heavy tar - heavy nicotine and about 20 or 30 a day for more than 10 years - regular high filter analogs for 25 years before that - ( winston - camel etc ) so after 35 years of smoking high tar / nicotine cigs the 36 mg juice was too much -" See things like that make question marks go off in my head. Studies are saying e-cigs gives you 1/10th the nicotine of a cigarette. Some members are saying this is exactly the case, while others are talking about nicotine poisoning and side effects. How could one person be getting 1/10th the nicotine, while others like above are getting more nicotine from e-smoking then heavy unfiltered cigarettes. Is it really the nicotine? Maybe the nicotine concentrations are never consistent? And everyone is talking about dryness. Is it really safe to dry out your lungs so much on a daily basis?? Plus u have the whole issue of withdrawal symptoms vs e-cig symptoms. which is which? What i do know is, a lot of people seem to be having SHORT term side effects that u do not get with smoking cigarettes. That is kind of alarming to me. Cigarette smoking never dried out my lungs or throat, or made my muscles hurt. Its a little bit troubling to me that there are many out there getting side effects in such a short period of time. Does anyone ever think or wonder what the long-term might be?

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07-07-2009, 08:58 PM	#2
ladyraj Super Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 830	Hey Paladinx, I'm glad you're back. Your objectivity and questioning mind is refreshing and has been missed. The dryness issue has always puzzled me because I haven't experienced it. It seems to be counter to what we know about inhalation and exhalation. Our normal exhalations contain heated moisture. If a drying agent is inhaled...wouldn't the natural exhalation moisture negate the drying effect? If the e-cig liquids and carts contain the very same ingredients, but in less quantity, as regular cigarettes...why is there muscle pain? If the muscles are inflamed or excited...how would drinking more fluids resolve it unless one is dehydrated? Do e-cigs cause dehydration or are people simply forgetting to provide their body with fluids? Considering the fact that our hearts are muscles the claims of muscle involvement are very troubling. Regarding the level of nicotine intake the smoker (e-cig or tobacco) adjusts the individual dose delivered via draws taken. How in the world would anyone overdose? It's not like someone is mainlining nicotine and has no recourse if the dose was too high. In e-smoking one simply has to stop puffing if a negative symptom arises. Some of the well intentioned advice given is simply guesstimated and have become legend. I think the best responses are the ones that refer disabling side effects to medical professionals.

07-07-2009, 09:14 PM	#3
paladinx ECF Veteran Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 351	sorry i did not mean to make a new thread, I thought i was responding in another thread already.