E-liquid lab/toxicology reports

[RjG]

Hmm. Start here coolnesscat:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/search.php

[SuperStack]

Originally Posted by coolnesscat

Side note one of my batteries is messed up when i conect it to the atomizer it gets it red hot with out ever taking 1 drag what is wrong?

You have a stuck switch - it's a common problem with these batteries, especially if juice gets inside and gums it up.

Do the following in this order...

1) Unscrew the battery and suck in/out on the atomizer connection end a few times, then blow out on the LED end a few times as well - you may have to repeat the process back and forth.

2) You can also try tapping the battery on a table a few times with a decent amount of force to help jar loose the switch inside (the end where the atomizer connects is where contact with the table should be made). Place a table cloth on the table to help cushion the blows and prevent damage.

3) If none of that works, and it's still stuck, then try holding it over steam for a couple minutes, as a last ditch effort.

If none of that works, then you'll need to cut your losses & buy a new one.

[Heed]

Originally Posted by RjG

The rise of a smoking alternative will erode a billion dollar tax fund for the goverment.

They SAY they tax cigs so high "because they are baaaad for you"

In reality, Smokers are an easy group to tax the h*ll out of, because we are a group * nobody * will stand up and defend.

For this reason, UNTIL they figure out a way to "regulate" (ie tax) e-cigs, no goverment will support them. They care far more about their taxes than they care about your health.

I couldn't agree more.

The interesting thing, also, is the cost of nicotene replacement therapies -- i.e. patches, gum, etc. We can see from the cost of e-liquid (even marked up several times to retail pricing) that nicotene is cheap. Even in government's efforts to appear to be giving us "ways out" they still want to see us pay through the nose. In terms of incentivizing us to get off tobacco, it would seem that a more effective strategy would be to keep the cost as low as possible.

[ratedPG]

Originally Posted by coolnesscat

...I havent heard that about pg. I have USP VG and PG is that the same as food grade? So is pg safer?...

Hello, 'cat, (and hi everybody else: this is my inaugural post, although I've been reading and lurking here for several months now!)

TropicalBob has posted the link to the Nov. 16, 1942 Time magazine article that said PG is an effective germicide against airborne bacteria. So yes, it is not only safe, it is apparently very beneficial for you.

There's quite a lot of scholarly info that has already been done on the effects of aerosolized propylene glycol. Anyone who wants to do some webcrawling on the subject can look at GoogleScholar, GooglePatents, The American Journal of Public Health, and Science Magazine's websites, to start out with.

Since the material is copywritten, I won't post them verbatim here, but here are the titles of some articles that say it all:

Ozone and Glycol Vapor Decontamination of Air in a Closed Room.
G. B. Pelleu jr, R. F. Berry, and N. G. Holleman (1974)
Journal of Dental Research #53, pp. 1132-1137

Bactericidal Effects of Propylene and Triethylene Glycol Vapors on Airborne Escherichia coli.
W. Lester Jr., E. Dunklin, and O. H. Robertson (1952)
Science #115, pp. 379-382

Effect of Propylene and Triethylene Glycol on Atomized E. coli.
R. Nagy and G. Mouromseff (1950)
Science #112, pp. 593-595

The Protection of Mice Against Infection with Air-borne Influenza Virus by Means of Propylene Glycol Vapor.
O. H. Robertson, C. G. Loosl, T. T. Puck, E. Bigg, and B. F. Miller (1941)
Science #94, 612-613 ...and it goes on and on.

I'm not a smoker myself, but I've done a lot of research into this. I've ordered my first 801 from David Yang, which is on it's way now. I've bought it solely for the propylene glycol vapor.

Honestly, I don't know why this isn't front-page news. The research has been done, over and over again, years ago. For those of you ex-smokers who have dropped combusting analogs, congratulations and huzzah! Not only are you getting nicotine --just nicotine-- in a safe and non-harmful way, you may be preventing infection while doing so.

So I say bring the FDA on! Let's test our cartridge fluff and atomizer wicks. Let's test the plastic and the flavors and the nic levels. We know the primary ingredient--propylene glycol--is remarkably healthy. I can't help but think that the primary problem is the connection with analogs. Even the name 'e-cigs,' is unfortunate, since it parallels vaping with smoking: the ingestion of nicotine becomes the focus.

If we could get away from the physical appearance of analogs, and appeal to the hand-sanitizer crowd instead, the world would be our oyster. "PureAir by Purell (r)...stop the germs before they stop you," that kinda thing.

[4myhealth]

My apologies - I meant to start a new thread.

[Oceaneco]

Great Report! Thanks for the information!

[rez]

Hi. Just my thoughts on the ratedPG post. I'm not being a smart a**, its just what i'm thinking. I have products that are being shipped to me and I'm sorting the risks just like many of you.

To me, any testing or reports from 1942, the same era that had cigarettes advertised as good for the throat, are a little outdated. I know its unfair to compare a Time magazine article to a cigarette ad but I'm just saying, information, capabilities, the lack of computers etc, anything from 1942 is not what I personally want to base my decisions on.

Also, the suggestion that:
>>"is an effective germicide against airborne bacteria. So yes, it is not only >>safe, it is apparently very beneficial for you."
>>Decontamination of Air in a Closed Room, Airborne Escherichia coli, Air->>borne Influenza Virus etc.

I dont know that makes me want to inhale it. Bleach and Lysol may do those same types of things. But i dont want to heat and inhale those.


>>"and appeal to the hand-sanitizer crowd...stop the germs before they stop >>you".

I'm not sure i understand you but do you mean people who use hand sanitizer should be marketed e-cigs as a way to sanitize their lungs? No disrespect but that cracks me up. And even externally, hand sanitizer and other things that things that kill the bad microorganisms also kill the normal flora.

Just my thoughts and no offense to you. As i said, I have some things in the mail to hopefully help me avoid smoking analog cigs but i'm looking forward to some specific studies of heating and inhaling all this stuff ASAP. China manufacturing short cuts, the popcorn lung flavor thing... all scary stuff.

[JJames68]

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

Three interim reports, and three extremely positive reports on e-smoking! The Holy Grail is in sight. This one answers virtually every question, including a lack of danger from second-hand vapor and the emissions from a cartridge not in use. Very thorough.

One major caveat: This applies ONLY to Ruyan products. Those are the only products subjected to the kind of clinical trial that an agency like WHO will consider when it meets in November on our beloved practice. If the government mandates auto safety and Fords pass the test, it doesn't mean Chevys are also approved. Every single e-cig maker and liquid maker must have testing done.

You think E-Cig.com gets a pass? Think again.

This is likely the last report to be issued before the WHO conference and we can only hope it sways that advisory group to proclaim e-smoking worthy of further study as an alternative to cigarette smokers seeking a safer nicotine delivery method. Thanks for finding it, Jigtg!

I doubt a test has been done on every brand of cigarette or even the new fire safe cigarette carpet glue additive, I am happy to see the tests on e-cigs being done - this gives me basic knowledge and is nice to know - now we need to see a report comparing these to cigarettes - and I would test them against the more harmful fire safe cigarettes as they are the only ones being allowed to be sold in most states now

[TropicalBob]

Just saw your post, RatedPG. It's right on. Good for you. I'll add that I consider inhaling propylene glycol vapor a healthy practice. Not only that, but Dr. Laugesen suggests that the exhaled vapor from an e-smoker might actually make those nearby healthier in the process by killing germs.

Rez, you are off-target with remarks about those World War II tests. They've never been refuted and further testing has been done with human adults and children. Read Dr. Laugesen's latest report and note the references to the other tests. PG is a beneficial germ-killer when inhaled as a vapor.

I go out of my way to make sure my e-liquid is PG-based. Any switch to another chemical and I'll switch to another brand using PG. I e-smoke as much for the PG as for the nicotine!

[rez]

Maybe... I'm just not convinced that it's actually healthy or understand / want to be involved in a competition of cheering someone on for thinking so, ha I'm just trying to learn and decide.

The stuff i ordered is PG though. I'm leaning towards that. Unfortunately, i discovered it also has glycerol....which i thought i wanted to stay away from. A lab had previously suggested the maker switch to glycerol though. That's conflicting.

Yet in the Ruyan report... where does all the Acrolein come from?